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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    LOL He's just a speech writer.
    LOL! I know, but it has been suggested that watching the video is going to transform him into a CIA official?



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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yo didn't view the link either, did you?


    Does viewing the link transform him into a CIA official?



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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I think protecting ourself and wiping out the terrorist that have killed Americans is a good thing. I refuse to support terrorist and will never go out of my way to defend them. In my world they do not deserve respect nor rights. What they deserve is DEATH. If that makes me someone that is not full of warm and fuzzy so called American "values" to you and others? Oh frigging well. I can live with it
    So in other words, you don't give a rat's ass about the Constitution, treaties that the United States signs, and the Geneva Convention - geez, no better than the enemy.

    Now that is an interesting side to take, make all these rules and then break them whenever we feel the need to. Is that how you do your own personal life? Just wondering.



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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Does viewing the link transform him into a CIA official?
    And John McCain is a CIA official?

    While McCain said
    "The trail to bin Laden did not begin with a disclosure from Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times. The first mention of Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti — the nickname of the al-Qaeda courier who ultimately led us to bin Laden — as well as a description of him as an important member of al-Qaeda, came from a detainee held in another country, who we believe was not tortured. None of the three detainees who were waterboarded provided Abu Ahmed’s real name, his whereabouts or an accurate description of his role in al-Qaeda", the fact is that all three 'detainees' were held and waterboarded in another country, probably in Eastern Europe.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    no, all accounts make that claim
    Wrong, conservatives have made it seem that the name of the courier was extracted.

    They identified a courier and his brother who lived in Abbottabad, Pakistan, an affluent suburb where a lot of retired Pakistani military officers live.”
    Where's the Outrage? » Conservatives Exclaim, “Torture works!” Not so Fast


    ksm became the "preeminent source," he conducted "terrorist tutorials," according to cia's ig report as released by holder's doj on the monday preceding aug 29, 2009, as reported by wapo

    ksm became an "unparalleled source," helped build a network of 70 names, cluing langley in to aq's methods and mindsets

    operatives were rounded up, they were "leveraged" and "cross referenced," using info ksm and others provided

    it took years to track down the leads, the key break didn't come for 4 years until a phone call to al kuwaiti was monitored
    Sen. John McCain, who spent 5 1/2 years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam, also rejected the argument that any form of torture is critical to U.S. success in the fight against terrorism.
    In an impassioned speech on the Senate floor, the Arizona Republican said former Attorney General Michael Mukasey and others who back those tactics were wrong to claim that waterboarding al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, provided information that led to bin Laden's compound in Pakistan.
    McCain spoke with an unrivaled record on the issue.


    this mission wasn't accomplished by bush or obama, it was made possible by years of legwork and 40 minutes of heroism
    Nobody is claiming that Obama should take credit for the CIA's work or the SEALS bravery.

    tho both presidents deserve credit for the policies they put in place or left there which made it all happen
    Bush wasn't concerned about Bin Laden and made it very clear. It has been pronounced that torture had nothing to do with the information that finally led them to Bin Laden and the information, no matter how compelling would not have been of any use if Obama had not decided to risk going after him. So, no, Bush doesn't deserve any credit. Obama, the CIA and the brave SEALS deserve all the credit.



    and the current occupant earns his due for having the guts to make the call
    Correct.

    it wasn't, it isn't, only 3 were waterboarded, zebaydah, ksm and al nashiri, tho ghul and libi were eit'd
    You made a statement thanking "Obama for not dismantling the methods of his predecessor". Sounded like you were claiming that water boarding was still being done, why I made the statement.

    all but nashiri provided crucial leads that allowed us to get ubl

    but eit's are only part of the story---detention, the maintenance of gitmo, aspects of the patriot act (warrantless wiretapping)---also contributed to this assassination
    Many are not factual, just repeated stories initiated by those that want to give Bush some credit for something that didn't have anything to do with the information gained.

    your questions have been answered a dozen times on this thread, read the links
    What questions. I didn't ask any questions, just suggested that water boarding was no longer done in response to your statement thanking Obama for not dismantling the methods of his predecessor. You must have gotten your wires crossed.



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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And John McCain is a CIA official?

    While McCain said
    "The trail to bin Laden did not begin with a disclosure from Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times. The first mention of Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti — the nickname of the al-Qaeda courier who ultimately led us to bin Laden — as well as a description of him as an important member of al-Qaeda, came from a detainee held in another country, who we believe was not tortured. None of the three detainees who were waterboarded provided Abu Ahmed’s real name, his whereabouts or an accurate description of his role in al-Qaeda", the fact is that all three 'detainees' were held and waterboarded in another country, probably in Eastern Europe.

    Perhaps you should offer a link to the words you attribute to McCain, so we can check and make sure McCain said them? Seems like McCain is calling out the lies being made by the Republicans who want to take some credit!


    This is what McCain said:
    On the floor of the Senate on Thursday, McCain disputed Mukasey's insistence last week that Mohammed "broke like a dam" during 183 waterboardings.
    "That is false," McCain said, adding he was told directly by CIA head Leon Panetta that the courier's identity was obtained through other means.
    Just like the old days, when McCain frequently engaged in verbal warfare with his fellow Republicans, Mukasey, Bush's former attorney general, soon came back at the senator. He insisted that Mohammed in fact offered up the nickname of the courier _ al Kuwaiti _ "along with a wealth of other information, some of which was used to stop terror plots then in progress."
    McCain wasn't backing down on Friday, elaborating for CBS.
    Waterboarding Mohammed "actually produced false and misleading information," he said, adding the details provided by the alleged terrorist ultimately proved untrue.
    "The fact is that this courier was identified first by a person who was not been held in U.S. custody," McCain said. "In fact, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed not only did not tell the truth about this courier, he even tried to mislead the interrogators by saying that the courier had retired, gotten married, and lived in Peshawar."
    McCain added that the staff of the Senate intelligence committee have told him that the most solid information on bin Laden came via non-coercive means.


    McCain added that the staff of the Senate intelligence committee have told him that the most solid information on bin Laden came via non-coercive means.


    McCain disputes Republican claims torture helped U.S. hunt for bin Laden - 1310News
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    of course, that was all before he resorted to assassination


    Is this supposed to be the latest attack - calling it assassination? Oh well, then Bush must be part to blame, since he had so much to do with it!



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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    These scenes provide previously unpublicized details about the transformation of the man known to U.S. officials as KSM from an avowed and truculent enemy of the United States into what the CIA called its "preeminent source" on al-Qaeda. This reversal occurred after Mohammed was subjected to simulated drowning and prolonged sleep deprivation, among other harsh interrogation techniques.

    "KSM, an accomplished resistor, provided only a few intelligence reports prior to the use of the waterboard, and analysis of that information revealed that much of it was outdated, inaccurate or incomplete," according to newly unclassified portions of a 2004 report by the CIA's then-inspector general released Monday by the Justice Department.

    The evidence is clear: Mohammed cooperated, and to an extraordinary extent, only when his spirit was broken in the month after his capture March 1, 2003, as the inspector general's report and other documents released this week indicate.

    "Certain of the techniques seemed to have little effect, whereas waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information," [CIA Inspector General John Helgerson] said in an interview. Cross-referencing material from different detainees, and leveraging information from one to extract more detail from another, the CIA and FBI went on to round up operatives both in the United States and abroad.

    "Detainees in mid-2003 helped us build a list of 70 individuals -- many of whom we had never heard of before -- that al-Qaeda deemed suitable for Western operations," according to the CIA summary. Mohammed was an unparalleled source in deciphering al-Qaeda's strategic doctrine, key operatives and likely targets, the summary said, including describing in "considerable detail the traits and profiles" that al-Qaeda sought in Western operatives and how the terrorist organization might conduct surveillance in the United States.
    How a Detainee Became An Asset - washingtonpost.com

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Is this supposed to be the latest attack - calling it assassination?
    attack?

    LOL!

    hardly

    it's the highest praise many americans have ever given him

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