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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Rev, this is your tactic when you misread something, or find yourself wrong. I accept your confession.



    no dood, it's the tactic you use to deflect when you make an error. We were talking laws, you invoked the DoI, if you didn't mean to apply it to the conversation as evidence for your position, you shouldn't have referenced it.


    Back to some thoughts here.

    OBL=murder?

    Seal team 6=murderers?



    yes or no?
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    no dood, it's the tactic you use to deflect when you make an error. We were talking laws, you invoked the DoI, if you didn't mean to apply it to the conversation as evidence for your position, you shouldn't have referenced it.


    Back to some thoughts here.

    OBL=murder?

    Seal team 6=murderers?



    yes or no?
    I didn't make an error, you did.

    The comment was to j, and it was about our ideals and not the law. That you can't follow is not my problem.

    And I've stated clearly, ask any who can read, that the SEALS are soldiers following the orders of a superior. As long as they followed those in good faith, they are not guilty of any crime IMHO. However, if the president ordered the assassination of a political leader (OBL the leader of al Quaeda, a political group), he broke the law. If OBL was not a political leader, then this was the killing of a person (Assassination by definition requires he be a political leader). That seems like murder to me if not done in a cmbat situation of some type. Excuting a person without some rule of law is a problem for me. I would think it would be a problem for most.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    AQ is a terror group, not some political entity.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I didn't make an error, you did.

    The comment was to j, and it was about our ideals and not the law. That you can't follow is not my problem.

    And I've stated clearly, ask any who can read, that the SEALS are soldiers following the orders of a superior. As long as they followed those in good faith, they are not guilty of any crime IMHO.
    Are you familiar with the term "legal order"? seriously, "I was ordered to do it" is a good enough excuse for you?

    However, if the president ordered the assassination of a political leader (OBL the leader of al Quaeda, a political group), he broke the law. If OBL was not a political leader, then this was the killing of a person (Assassination by definition requires he be a political leader). That seems like murder to me if not done in a cmbat situation of some type. Excuting a person without some rule of law is a problem for me. I would think it would be a problem for most.

    So, to some it up, the killing of OBL is a problem for you....
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    AQ is a terror group, not some political entity.

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    That's one opinon. But then killing him would not be an asssassination. It would be something else. I worded myself carefully above to account for this opinion.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Are you familiar with the term "legal order"? seriously, "I was ordered to do it" is a good enough excuse for you?




    So, to some it up, the killing of OBL is a problem for you....
    yes, I am. And there are lines a soldier should not cross. Certainly, marching millions into tthe showers would not be an order you can excuse. But others are more gray, as it would be here. I would not target the SEALS here at all.

    And yes, some people have less problem with killing OBL no matter what the law. I understand that. And it is one of a few reasons why Obama will not be charged. But breaking laws sets a precedence. And once we break a law today, it is possible we can expand the critieria later. It becomes easier to justify law breaking. I simply prefer we follow the law. We have nothing to fear from a live OBL. And having him stand trial and answer to world, being shown clearly what he is, would not eb something we should have feared.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    yes, I am. And there are lines a soldier should not cross. Certainly, marching millions into tthe showers would not be an order you can excuse. But others are more gray, as it would be here. I would not target the SEALS here at all.

    You want to have your cake and eat it to. sorry, that does not fly. Whether you "march" one person into a shower, or carry out an illegal assasination, it is your responsibility to refuse illegal orders.



    And yes, some people have less problem with killing OBL no matter what the law. I understand that. And it is one of a few reasons why Obama will not be charged. But breaking laws sets a precedence. And once we break a law today, it is possible we can expand the critieria later. It becomes easier to justify law breaking. I simply prefer we follow the law. We have nothing to fear from a live OBL. And having him stand trial and answer to world, being shown clearly what he is, would not eb something we should have feared.

    Sorry you are sad to see OBL go....
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You want to have your cake and eat it to. sorry, that does not fly. Whether you "march" one person into a shower, or carry out an illegal assasination, it is your responsibility to refuse illegal orders.





    Sorry you are sad to see OBL go....
    rev, details matter. It is not true that all things are equivilant. Judgement is often required.

    And silliness concerning OBL is not helpful. I have said I shed no tears for OBl. This is about us and rule of law. it always has been. He is meaningless.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    rev, details matter. It is not true that all things are equivilant. Judgement is often required.
    One can be held responsible for ones actions under the UCMJ, did you miss that class?


    And silliness concerning OBL is not helpful. I have said I shed no tears for OBl. This is about us and rule of law. it always has been. He is meaningless.
    It's not silly at all, you rosie, moore, and beck all have the same silly position.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That seems like murder to me if not done in a cmbat (sic) situation of some type
    it seems like murder?

    LOL!

    I would think it would be a problem for most
    you think the assassination of the author of 9-11 is a problem?

    for most?

    LOL!

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