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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If there is a crime, it is not them I would prosecute. They acted under orders. I'm saying that assassination is illegal. Assassination by definition is killing political leaders. If the SEALS just decided on their own to kill someone, unarmed, they would face charges. Under orders, as I suspect here, I would blame the order giver.

    We had a duty to refuse illegal orders, if you think the order was unlawful, you would have to hold those who engaged in the activity liable.



    That said, just as with Bush, I don't believe either will ever face charges. I believe Bush broke the law, and have not argued for impecahment or prosecution. Only agree he broke the law and I would be fine if he were chraged. He won't be. The same is true of Obama.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And that would make a difference. As I said frm the begining, it depends on the details. If as Rev suggests, the man was unarmed, secired, and we shot him, I believe that would be illegal. If the SEALS were ordered to do that, than I would blame the person giving the order, . . .Obama.

    So, tell me if I am wrong here, but do you believe that OBL has rights? If so, what rights do you give the mass murderer?

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're trying to make it more complicated than it is. I've given you clear examples. If the compound was a miltiary compound it woudl not be the same as shooting an unarmed man.


    Qadaffi's home was no more a military compound than Obama's bungalo.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Apparently bin Laden had an AK and a Makarov pistol within arms reach when the SEALs arrived. In such a situation, it would be entirely possible to "resist" while being unarmed, IMO, and I don't think such a killing would go against the laws of war.

    Alright, I'll give a hypothetical in conventional war terms. If you came across a uniformed enemy, but he was unarmed, would you be obligated to not shoot him just because he was unarmed? Let's say the individual in question refused to surrender and was attempting to flee. Shooting him in the back might not be nice, but I don't think it's illegal.



    Even if the only thing he had in his hand was his blood engorged member..... just sayin.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And that would make a difference. As I said frm the begining, it depends on the details. If as Rev suggests, the man was unarmed, secired, and we shot him, I believe that would be illegal. If the SEALS were ordered to do that, than I would blame the person giving the order, . . .Obama.
    You also said, "IF it was a military compound" What constitutes a military for you?

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    few care whom you would or wouldn't blame

    the facts are the facts

    gitmo, detention, wiretapping, assassination...

    barack the killer has become quite the neocon

    he appears to like it, too

    ask al awlaki, an american CITIZEN
    Agreed....Every freaking time Obama looks himself in the mirror knowing well that he is an extension of what he criticized and abhorred in the past

    Obama is a phony and a hypocrite

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Even if the only thing he had in his hand was his blood engorged member..... just sayin.
    That would be a potential biological attack.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, tell me if I am wrong here, but do you believe that OBL has rights? If so, what rights do you give the mass murderer?

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    Charles Manson was a mass murder. As have been others, who we have chrged, prosecuted, and punished. Isn't that what we do? What exactly suggest to you that what God has endowed is only for the choosen? If we excuse unlawful and evil behavior, what moral ground do we stand on? What core value to we hold regardless of circumstance?

    I'm not as willing as some to say the law only applies to some and is completely subjective, to only use when we feel like it.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You also said, "IF it was a military compound" What constitutes a military for you?

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    It incorporates a lot of possibilities. A headquarters, a staging area, a training area, a depot, housing wepaons and / or soliders.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Rights? Who gives rigths? Man? A nation? God? remember this: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they (Everyone and not just US citizens) are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    Charles Manson was a mass murder. As have been others, who we have chrged, prosecuted, and punished. Isn't that what we do? What exactly suggest to you that what God has endowed is only for the choosen? If we excuse unlawful and evil behavior, what moral ground do we stand on? What core value to we hold regardless of circumstance?

    I'm not as willing as some to say the law only applies to some and is completely subjective, to only use when we feel like it.

    If your edit was accurate, then why the 14th amendment?
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