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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Who should try them? What law was violated? who should the jury be?


    So you like Michael moore, and Rosie o'donnell, think that Obama's civil rights were violated, and we have become the "monsters"? yes or no.
    They violated a lot of laws, including US law. I have no problem in a US court.

    Haven't listened to either one, but if they speak to rule of law, I guess I would have to agree. Not so much civil rights, as the one that makes assassination illegal. A law that is only a law for some carries no meaning. I wouldn't use the words monsters, but I would suggest that one of the things that makes a people good is how well the obey and follow rule of law.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

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    But do they have his money?
    It seems likely that they could procure the funding. Lots of people hate the US-and for good reason.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They violated a lot of laws, including US law. I have no problem in a US court.
    What US law did they violate? furthermore, if no us court is willing to prosecute, how far would you support international intervention?


    Haven't listened to either one, but if they speak to rule of law, I guess I would have to agree. Not so much civil rights, as the one that makes assassination illegal. A law that is only a law for some carries no meaning. I wouldn't use the words monsters, but I would suggest that one of the things that makes a people good is how well the obey and follow rule of law.

    Again, which laws?
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    On another note.....

    Have you noticed that since this happened, it's like Japan's nuclear crisis never happened?

    In three months, no one will care about bin Laden either.

    People's attention spans are so short these days.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    What US law did they violate? furthermore, if no us court is willing to prosecute, how far would you support international intervention?





    Again, which laws?
    Assassination is murder. I'm pretty sure we're not allowed to kill folks. If you're looking for a law that outlaws political assassinations, start ehre:

    In 1976, President Ford issued Executive Order 11905 to clarify U.S. foreign intelligence activities. The order was enacted in response to the post-Watergate revelations that the CIA had staged multiple attempts on the life of Cuban President Fidel Castro.

    In a section of the order labeled "Restrictions on Intelligence Activities," Ford outlawed political assassination: Section 5(g), entitled "Prohibition on Assassination," states: "No employee of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination."

    Since 1976, every U.S. president has upheld Ford's prohibition on assassinations. In 1978 President Carter issued an executive order with the chief purpose of reshaping the intelligence structure. In Section 2-305 of that order, Carter reaffirmed the U.S. prohibition on assassination.

    U.S. policy on assassinations - CNN

    This is what I thought j was refering to, assuming that if he wasn't a head of state, it couldn't be political. Not sure I would accept that. OBL was a political leader of a kind. If they didn't like my politics and assassinated me, as I told j, I woudl consider that illegal.

    There is no category of people that law lets you just kill unarmed, as you please. Even in war, if you shoot a bunch of folks just sitting there, you're going to face charges if reported and known.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    On another note.....

    Have you noticed that since this happened, it's like Japan's nuclear crisis never happened?

    In three months, no one will care about bin Laden either.

    People's attention spans are so short these days.
    That's too bad.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, you're bad misinterpretation doesn't equal fact.

    Neither does your opinion.

    Bush is to blame for what Obama did.
    Obama is never to balme for Obama did.
    You can't excuse Bush ever, Obama took over his mess.
    Obama is never responsible for his actions.
    Fixed a couple of things for you in the interest of your much requested honesty.

    But he didn't invade Iraq, open GITMO, or say torture was OK.
    Nope, you're right, he is just keeping in place all of Bush's policies regarding these things.

    Believe it or not, sound reasoning can be done regardless of position. Some people hear I disagree with do a fairl good job with reasoning. See Ejiah Gault, Whoven, Ikari (sp). You can excuse the way you want, but the fact is your reasoing is often not sound. I balme it on what your read, which are sources with very unsound reasoing.
    Well, that's your opinion, which you know what that means in real terms? Squat! Just because someone disagrees with your POV, doesn't mean that they have unsound reasoning, or that they are restricting themselves to an echo chamber of one sided ideas, that is more projection on your part I think. But, as it were, this would be no fun if we all agreed all the time would it? The difference is that when that disagreement comes you seem to feel the need to personally attack. That is what I see as the huge flaw in your reasoning Joe.

    I believe in rule of law. No matter what I think of OBL, rule of law is what we need to follow. I'm not sure why some who call themselves conservatives don't respect rule of law?
    What law was broken? Please cite it, as well as what a possible prosecution would be in the event that it is even true that any law was broken.

    If he broke the law, he broke the law. Does the law only aplly to some or for all?
    Wait, you make a case just one quote up about the 'rule of law' arguing that you think it possible that Obama did break the law, now you hedge and say 'IF'.... I think this is the tactic that exposes your own dishonesty when debating. Ambiguity is less than genuine in these matters.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Assassination is murder. I'm pretty sure we're not allowed to kill folks. If you're looking for a law that outlaws political assassinations, start ehre:

    In 1976, President Ford issued Executive Order 11905 to clarify U.S. foreign intelligence activities. The order was enacted in response to the post-Watergate revelations that the CIA had staged multiple attempts on the life of Cuban President Fidel Castro.

    In a section of the order labeled "Restrictions on Intelligence Activities," Ford outlawed political assassination: Section 5(g), entitled "Prohibition on Assassination," states: "No employee of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination."

    Since 1976, every U.S. president has upheld Ford's prohibition on assassinations. In 1978 President Carter issued an executive order with the chief purpose of reshaping the intelligence structure. In Section 2-305 of that order, Carter reaffirmed the U.S. prohibition on assassination.

    U.S. policy on assassinations - CNN

    This is what I thought j was refering to, assuming that if he wasn't a head of state, it couldn't be political. Not sure I would accept that. OBL was a political leader of a kind. If they didn't like my politics and assassinated me, as I told j, I woudl consider that illegal.

    There is no category of people that law lets you just kill unarmed, as you please. Even in war, if you shoot a bunch of folks just sitting there, you're going to face charges if reported and known.


    From your link:


    "According to an October 21, 2001, Washington Post article, President Bush in September of last year signed an intelligence "finding" instructing the CIA to engage in "lethal covert operations" to destroy Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda organization.

    White House and CIA lawyers believe that the intelligence "finding" is constitutional because the ban on political assassination does not apply to wartime. They also contend that the prohibition does not preclude the United States taking action against terrorists."



    Also Clinton, reagan, dropped bombs on quadaffi, and afghan guerilla camps, Assasination attempts.

    They too, held up on charges?
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    On another note.....

    Have you noticed that since this happened, it's like Japan's nuclear crisis never happened?

    In three months, no one will care about bin Laden either.

    People's attention spans are so short these days.
    the public is fickle. That's why the American public is so easily manipulated. Those of us who join political forums and regularly show interest in these issues are likely in the minority. Most people prefer to be a-mused (no thinking). Explains a lot, I think.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's too bad.
    Wisconsin and Governor Walker. The tornadoes in the South. The Arizona Congresswoman shooting. California's bankruptcy. Obamacare repeal. Arizona's sovereignty to enforce immigation law. The earthquake in New Zealand. Libya. Egypt. Tunisia. Syria. Yemen.

    Things blow by so quickly.
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