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    Re: Am I the only one reading this report?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I am looking through the report again, and so far I would have to say that this ^ assessment was made by the journalist who wrote the piece.
    In the report it merely notes in more than one place that the quantity of reporting went up but that they hadn't had the time to check and see if the quality went up as well.
    Notably, the WaPo article includes this quote from KSM to the Red Cross,
    "During the harshest period of my interrogation I gave a lot of false information in order to satisfy what I believed the interrogators wished to hear in order to make the ill-treatment stop. ... I'm sure that the false information I was forced to invent in order to make the ill-treatment stop wasted a lot of their time."
    Who here is ready to admit to being supremely naive enough to think that KSM had planned on spilling his guts and giving the interrogators absolutely truthful information, prior to being tortured?

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I can't find Spencer Ackerman's name anywhere in the list of CIA officials.

    Would you mind sending a link regarding his professional expertise and his CIA involvement?
    Ackerman is a reporter. But, since you question his statements, why don't you post the name of the CIA officials who claim that water boarding was what led to the capture of Bin Laden.

    I'll be waiting for your response anxiously!

    And, just to further shut conservatives up - here is a CIA official who said the same thing.

    Glenn L. Carle, a retired C.I.A. officer who oversaw the interrogation of a high-level detainee in 2002, said in a phone interview Tuesday, that coercive techniques "didn't provide useful, meaningful, trustworthy information." He said that while some of his colleagues defended the measures, "everyone was deeply concerned and most felt it was un-American and did not work."

    "The bottom line is this: If we had some kind of smoking-gun intelligence from waterboarding in 2003, we would have taken out Osama bin Laden in 2003," said Tommy Vietor, spokesman for the National Security Council. "It took years of collection and analysis from many different sources to develop the case that enabled us to identify this compound, and reach a judgment that Bin Laden was likely to be living there."





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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    that's pretty much the way it went down, according to all accounts i've come across

    except that ksm "cooperated to an extradordinary extent" and became langley's "preeminent source," conducting "terrorist tutorials," only "after his spirit was broken" with very harsh eit's in europe

    "ksm was an unparalleled source in deciphering aq's strategic doctrine, key operatives and likely targets, including describing in considerable detail the traits and profiles that aq sought in western operatives and how the terrorist organization might conduct surveillance in the us"

    "cross-referencing material from different detainees and leveraging information from one to extract more detail from another, the cia and fbi went on to round up operatives both in the us and abroad "

    "detainees in mid 2003 helped us build a list of 70 individuals---many of whom we had never heard of before---that aq deemed suitable for western operations"

    "according to the cia summary"

    and tho ghul and al libi were not waterboarded, they were eit'd

    one of the sources linked above says that al libi was food deprived and stripped naked because he loved to eat and he was personally very modest

    it is what it is

    and it aint just eit's

    the maintenance of gitmo, the detention of suspects, the warrantless wiretapping of phone calls to al kuwaiti...

    they all led up to this ASSASSINATION
    Most accounts claim that the name supplied by KSM was just a nickname, not a real name, that alone would not have been of much use unless it was associated with other information gathered through the years. If credit is to be given to Bush for his "torture" techniques in gathering such information, shouldn't we question why he didn't do anything with the information, but rather became rather callous about not caring where Bin Laden was?
    americans are overwhelmingly grateful to president obama for not dismantling the methods of his predecessor, allowing our agents and soldiers to get ubl
    I'm not sure what you mean hear, I understood water boarding was no longer used. If it is, why would Cheney make such a statement?


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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And the Washington University Law Review has replaced the Supreme Court?

    That is news!

    When was the Supreme Court subjected to water boarding?



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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You do not understand the concept of waterboarding at all, despite it being explained many times.

    Here's the most recent clip.

    Marc Thiessen Tells How Enhanced Interrogation Helped Find Bin Laden

    I didn't find Marc Thiessen's name in the list of CIA officials.

    Would you please give me a link to Marc Thiessen's knowledge and involvement with the CIA.



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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Why do you wish to defend terrorist? Rule of Law? The USA did nothing illegal so suck it up buster!

    I guess we should abolish all our laws when it comes to trying criminals? We shall have a double standard, we use one set of rules for those we don't think are so heinous, and a different one for those we do. That isn't America - and most that object to water boarding are not defending terrorists, but rather our laws, what we stand for. When we start disregarding our own laws we are no longer America, we become just like the enemy. Maybe you like that, most sensible Americans don't.



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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Ackerman is a reporter. But, since you question his statements, why don't you post the name of the CIA officials who claim that water boarding was what led to the capture of Bin Laden.

    I'll be waiting for your response anxiously!

    And, just to further shut conservatives up - here is a CIA official who said the same thing.

    Glenn L. Carle, a retired C.I.A. officer who oversaw the interrogation of a high-level detainee in 2002, said in a phone interview Tuesday, that coercive techniques "didn't provide useful, meaningful, trustworthy information." He said that while some of his colleagues defended the measures, "everyone was deeply concerned and most felt it was un-American and did not work."

    "The bottom line is this: If we had some kind of smoking-gun intelligence from waterboarding in 2003, we would have taken out Osama bin Laden in 2003," said Tommy Vietor, spokesman for the National Security Council. "It took years of collection and analysis from many different sources to develop the case that enabled us to identify this compound, and reach a judgment that Bin Laden was likely to be living there."


    Sounds like his politics are guiding his opinion, more than anything else. The, "un-American", part kind gave it away.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sounds like his politics are guiding his opinion, more than anything else. The, "un-American", part kind gave it away.
    So i guess your politics isn't guiding your opinion?

    Are you trying to say torture is pro-American?

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So i guess your politics isn't guiding your opinion?

    Are you trying to say torture is pro-American?
    Lol...you make it sound like we cut heads off our captives. A little stress and duress here and there...is what we use
    Last edited by ric27; 05-08-11 at 09:38 PM.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    I didn't find Marc Thiessen's name in the list of CIA officials.

    Would you please give me a link to Marc Thiessen's knowledge and involvement with the CIA.
    View the link before responding.

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