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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Don't listen to Mayor. He's arguebly the biggest partisan hack on this forum after TD got banned.
    TD was banned??

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    How is killing a man who has no control over his own organization important when the act of killing him makes him a martyr? Sure killing Osama was important circa 2002 when he had some control but the situtation has changed so radically that the terror organizations we face today are frankly nothing like they were in 2001.
    Yes, we screwed up royally not getting him in 2002 or 2003.... that was a major FU

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I'm not saying it is not important. I'm saying outside of a symbolic victory, this frankly means ****
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    You are acknowledging that it might be important yet means *****? Which is it?

    Sorry, but its more important that we eventually got the guy then allow him to life in luxury in Pakistan. Prehaps you would like to make the argument we should have left him alone or perhaps we could have just sent a FedEx envelope with a letter that said "we know where you live" We attack and the guy is going to make a choice to live or to die. That is going to be his choice. Our choice is to attack or not. If you have the intell, then what on earth are you suggesting? Please explain, as at first blush your position makes zero sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I guess but in terms of getting out of these conflicts and making the world a safer place, his death really changes nothing.
    I agree. We continue to have problems in the middle east. But this was extremely important for the American people. It should have happened 8 years ago. Justice deferred is justice denied.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Why? He used 9/11. He chose to not let a good crisis go to waste, but rather used it to support his foray into Iraq. He never seriously chased Bin Laden and therefore gets zero credit.

    YouTube - Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden (short version)
    Yes, yes, yes. Keep up this sentiment as such idiocy will ensure another thrashing in 2012.

    You know nothing of Bush's "efforts" in pursuing bin Laden. Who are you? Nobody. You're half the problem.

    Obama was sat down and explained how the world really is after he got elected, and he abandoned the spineless, naive childishness his supporters cling to. He had to. I'd bet what he learned scared the absolute hell out of him.

    The one thing I admire about Obama is that he intensely loves his family and fatherhood is something he embraces completely. What he learned those early days, I believe, showed him that what Bush was doing was truly in the best interest of both of their children's futures.

    Hence, Gitmo is alive and well, Iraq efforts have been fortified instead of reduced, Afghanistan is bloodier than ever because of intense battles, and all this is happening amidst involvements in multiple other regime changes in the region.

    Congratulations to Presidents Obama and Bush tonight. Well done, sirs.

    Now, we must ALL be diligent. Response(s) are most certainly coming, of what sophistication and location we don't know.

    I'm also deeply disturbed that Pakistan was not more helpful. They had to know of a mansion this size so different than anything around it, yet they said norhing. India is pissed I'm sure. Different story for another thread and day.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    GUYS!!!

    The PREFERRED outcome was bin Laden dead with an American bullet in his head.

    Bin Laden ALIVE and captured meant American hostages taken and held as ransom for bin Laden's release. America is safer for having killed this POS, even if that meant making the maggot a "martyr". Seriously, do try to engage a few brain cells and think about this. What would the terrorists say once bin Laden was sentenced to death and executed in a federal prison?

    They'd say exactly what they'r going to be saying now, that their bearded hate-monger died a martyr at the hands of the Great Satan.

    That single bullet, costing no more than a buck, saved the US taxpayers' MILLIONS of dollars.

    Besides, with Holder in Justice, it's possible bin Laden could have gotten an acquittal.
    I agree except for the martyr part. He was shot like a rat at the dump. And a trial would have been a propaganda opportunity for him.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Blood for the blood god. Skulls for the skull throne. The only reason Israel is still at war is because their hands have been tied by an international community that profits from the continued conflict.
    Only reason? So you are basically saying the international community is basically teaching Muslim children to hate Israel and encouraging Israel to react harshly to any threat? Really. I don't doubt that to some degree the underlying conflicts keep going because someone is profiting, but it's far more than just that.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

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    TD was banned??
    Yeah. Long time ago. Truth Detector was hammered after making a sock puppet.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    It's attitudes like yours that will have us fighting this war forever. Until we win the PR war, we will never end this conflict.
    Until Islam is radically reformed to implement notions of humility that simply do not exist within it today, there's no chance that the religion of Islam can ever stop shedding little terrorists and little kooks. Christianity is a genuine kook factory and Jesus never taught murder as an evangelical tool.

    Tell me how this is more than a symbolic victory. Try.
    Everytime a leader of al qeada pops his head up long enough to be noticed, a sniper from the US Army shoots it off.

    That's the message to be taken today.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    And there would have been no reason to convene an international tribunal for a criminal mass-murderer captured by US forces in a US led operation.
    No reason? So apparently handing Islamic terrorism it's soul crushing propaganda defeat is "no reason." Sounds like you have a profit motive in keeping this conflict going indefinitely.

    And no reason to risk an acquittal when the outcome in an American court would be almost certain to yield the necessar guilt verdicts.
    Really? So you think he'd get an acquittal despite evidence of him taking credit for it? Videos of what amounts to CONFESSIONS of being responsible would render an acquittal? You are crazy.

    Besides, if the US had captured him, just imagine how much information water boarding him could have yielded.
    Probably nothing considering how the organization and its affiliates are now run.

    He should be buried with a genuine American football, a real pigskin.
    Look kids. Another person who wants to see Americans dying in foreign fields and treasure leaving American coffers indefinitely.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I agree except for the martyr part. He was shot like a rat at the dump. And a trial would have been a propaganda opportunity for him.
    The al Jezeera spin doctors can do just as good a job as the pros Obama has hired.

    Within a week the Muslim world will know bin Laden was shot in the back while at prayer in a mosque.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    According to whom?
    Every expert on terrorism


    As a result of the U.S. using its special forces and providing air support for the Northern Alliance ground forces, both Taliban and al-Qaeda training camps were destroyed, and much of the operating structure of al-Qaeda is believed to have been disrupted. After being driven from their key positions in the Tora Bora area of Afghanistan, many al-Qaeda fighters tried to regroup in the rugged Gardez region of the nation.

    Again, under the cover of intense aerial bombardment, U.S. infantry and local Afghan forces attacked, shattering the al-Qaeda position and killing or capturing many of the militants. By early 2002, al-Qaeda had been dealt a serious blow to its operational capacity, and the Afghan invasion appeared an initial success. Nevertheless, a significant Taliban insurgency remains in Afghanistan, and al-Qaeda's top two leaders, bin Laden and al-Zawahiri, evaded capture.


    It's attitudes like yours that will have us fighting this war forever. Until we win the PR war, we will never end this conflict.
    Obama and Hilary Clinton have been winning the PR war and getting grief from the far-right for doing so. The idiots at Fox News call it the apology tour.





    Really?
    Yes, the majority of the world was on our side on 9/11.

    Care to look at the views on terrorism in the Middle East?
    The majority of the people there condemn terrorism.

    Tell me how this is more than a symbolic victory. Try.
    Turn on your TV. This means something to the majority of Americans.

    It is, finally, some light in the darkness that has been the past decade. Hopefully, more Americans will move toward a pragmatic center, and start ignoring the fear-mongers on both fringes.

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