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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Same could be true of those who believe the litature on the subject.
    you should be able to show actual, tangiable evidence that can be confirmed.
    and certianly they can be tricky with the language
    dept chair, huh?

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The government is not an authoritative source. An authority is an individual professionally trained in the relevant area who is not under any political pressure to skew his assertions.

    A politician or someone working for one (i. e. Rumsfeld) is not.
    why did HOLDER's doj release the cia's ig report on the monday preceding aug 29?

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I understand what you're saying, and certianly they can be tricky with the language. And I often think they do just that to try and present the impression that torture was more successful than it was. And sometimes, they just lie. It happens.
    Why would anyone lie about "torturing" someone? Do you feel it would enhance their reputation to be known as a torturer?

    What's really torturous is this path of illogical reasoning.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The government is not an authoritative source. An authority is an individual professionally trained in the relevant area who is not under any political pressure to skew his assertions.

    An professor, a scholar, an ex-military interrogator are all examples of such sources. A politician or someone working for one (i. e. Rumsfeld) is not.
    Perhaps you should read your own post.


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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why would anyone lie about "torturing" someone? Do you feel it would enhance their reputation to be known as a torturer?

    What's really torturous is this path of illogical reasoning.
    It helps them justify the unjustifiable. They lie and give it names like enhanced interrogation techniques. This group worked wonders with labnguage. You know, patriot act, no child left behind, and collateral damage. Sadly, they had people willing to believe. I knew hope of sound thinking was lost when Bush got away with moving from Saddam has wmds, to Saddam has wmd porgrams, to Saddam has wmd related program activites, to we're spreading freedom. Too few really cared at all.

    However, as i note, there are plenty of reasons to lie. They broke the law and have to justify it. And despite not being able to show a single specific verifiable example of anything we got, some are more than willing to suspend disbelief and merely accept their word, even when what they claim isn't even possible, as is the case here.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Perhaps you should read your own post.
    Nope. Attacking someone's credentials is not ad hominem.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And despite not being able to show a single specific verifiable example of anything we got, some are more than willing to suspend disbelief and merely accept their word, even when what they claim isn't even possible, as is the case here.
    you really shouldn't talk about eric holder that way, unless you really want to

    meanwhile, how's that ASSASSINATION going over

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It helps them justify the unjustifiable. They lie and give it names like enhanced interrogation techniques.
    No, they are calling it "waterboarding", which is what it is.
    This group worked wonders with labnguage. You know, patriot act, no child left behind, and collateral damage. Sadly, they had people willing to believe. I knew hope of sound thinking was lost when Bush got away with moving from Saddam has wmds, to Saddam has wmd porgrams, to Saddam has wmd related program activites, to we're spreading freedom. Too few really cared at all.
    There's that torturous path again. KSM would have spilled his guts weeks earlier if he had to put up with this convoluted highway to nowhere.

    However, as i note, there are plenty of reasons to lie. They broke the law and have to justify it. And despite not being able to show a single specific verifiable example of anything we got, some are more than willing to suspend disbelief and merely accept their word, even when what they claim isn't even possible, as is the case here.
    What law did they break? They were advised at the time that waterboarding was legal, as well it should be.

    And of course it was justified by the subsequent killing of Dustbin Laden. Where is the problem?
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    To be fair ObL was detained. and they may have asked him some questions.
    What?

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Hmmm....we executed UBL. We are not that different
    What?

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What?
    Just a joke. Just a joke.
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