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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    But in terms of the actual conflicts revolving around Islamic Radicalism, I don't see how this frankly changes much besides making him a matyr and not putting him through the justice system. I'd prefer to have him rot in prison after a length trial dictating just how evil that man really is.
    Most of us already know how evil he was and this is why it is such a great thing he is dead.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I don't want to get into a full blown argument, so let me put it this way: Bush started the war in Afghanistan, and this is part of that war. Ergo, he deserves credit for starting the war, if nothing else.
    So let's say I start dinner. I screw it up royally, and give up deciding it's not that important. Now, my wife comes along and decides that it really is important after all, and fixes my mess and makes a wonderful meal. Do I deserve any credit?
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Why? Islamic terrorists don't work in an unified system taking orders and feeding intelligence to each other.
    Their network is in such disaray, almost non-existent.


    Bin Laden was nothing more than a figurehead. And killing figureheads in Islam makes them martyrs. Sure it was good to get him, but killing him may actually make this worse. IMO, if Bin Laden has to die, let him die of a slow death from his various ailments on the run like a coward rather than in a firefight and being killed by Americans.
    Given the politics of trying a terrorist in this country, especially a big fish like bin Ladin, I'm glad he went for suicide by Seal.



    IMO we have basically lost the largest propaganda opportunity we'll ever going to have.
    The majority of the world is with us on this one. They stood by us through a false war, they'll certainly support a real victory.

    This was handled brilliantly by Obama.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Ideally you capture him and bring him to justice, but failing that, Americans tracking him down and killing him is pretty important and a much, much better outcome than allowing him to live well in a large Pakistani mansion.
    How is killing a man who has no control over his own organization important when the act of killing him makes him a martyr? Sure killing Osama was important circa 2002 when he had some control but the situtation has changed so radically that the terror organizations we face today are frankly nothing like they were in 2001.

    I think you are splitting hairs here and calling the difference the Grand Canyon. It is not. This is a very important milestone, just as cornering Hitler was an important milestone.
    I'm not saying it is not important. I'm saying outside of a symbolic victory, this frankly means ****.

    Surely this does not end terrorism nor Al Qadea, but do not underestimate the importance of symbolism, particularly with the Arab world. For 10 years he got away with 9/11..... now justice has at least caught up with the figurehead and command and control of Al Qaeda.
    I guess but in terms of getting out of these conflicts and making the world a safer place, his death really changes nothing.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    We have a Muslim president?
    Don't listen to Mayor. He's arguebly the biggest partisan hack on this forum after TD got banned.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Most of us already know how evil he was and this is why it is such a great thing he is dead.
    It doesn't matter what we think. It matters what the Arab and Muslim world thinks. An international tribunal with Muslim lawyers prosecuting him would absolutely be a crushing blow to Islamic Radicalism. Only an idiot (and many here) think this can be done by pure military operations. The real war is not on the physical battlefield. It's in the minds of our potential enemies. Israel knows this. It's won almost every war. Has it found real, genuine peace?
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I'd be concerned about keeping him captured. Of course, it'd be great, and I wish we could have like paraded him as a POW through the streets of NYC, let some citizens at him...and then put him in the most patriotic jail in the country.

    But him dead is good too. Like Lucky said, he knew America f**ked him over before he died, thats good enough for me.
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    The PREFERRED outcome was bin Laden dead with an American bullet in his head.

    Bin Laden ALIVE and captured meant American hostages taken and held as ransom for bin Laden's release. America is safer for having killed this POS, even if that meant making the maggot a "martyr". Seriously, do try to engage a few brain cells and think about this. What would the terrorists say once bin Laden was sentenced to death and executed in a federal prison?

    They'd say exactly what they'r going to be saying now, that their bearded hate-monger died a martyr at the hands of the Great Satan.

    That single bullet, costing no more than a buck, saved the US taxpayers' MILLIONS of dollars.

    Besides, with Holder in Justice, it's possible bin Laden could have gotten an acquittal.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Their network is in such disaray, almost non-existent.
    According to whom?

    Given the politics of trying a terrorist in this country, especially a big fish like bin Ladin, I'm glad he went for suicide by Seal.
    It's attitudes like yours that will have us fighting this war forever. Until we win the PR war, we will never end this conflict.

    The majority of the world is with us on this one. They stood by us through a false war, they'll certainly support a real victory.

    This was handled brilliantly by Obama.
    Really? Care to look at the views on terrorism in the Middle East?

    Tell me how this is more than a symbolic victory. Try.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The real war is not on the physical battlefield. It's in the minds of our potential enemies. Israel knows this. It's won almost every war. Has it found real, genuine peace?
    Blood for the blood god. Skulls for the skull throne. The only reason Israel is still at war is because their hands have been tied by an international community that profits from the continued conflict.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    It doesn't matter what we think. It matters what the Arab and Muslim world thinks. An international tribunal with Muslim lawyers prosecuting him would absolutely be a crushing blow to Islamic Radicalism. Only an idiot (and many here) think this can be done by pure military operations. The real war is not on the physical battlefield. It's in the minds of our potential enemies. Israel knows this. It's won almost every war. Has it found real, genuine peace?
    And there would have been no reason to convene an international tribunal for a criminal mass-murderer captured by US forces in a US led operation. And no reason to risk an acquittal when the outcome in an American court would be almost certain to yield the necessar guilt verdicts.

    Besides, if the US had captured him, just imagine how much information water boarding him could have yielded.

    He should be buried with a genuine American football, a real pigskin.

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