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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That too is irrelevent. What they use does nto dictate what we use. we don't really want to be them, do we?

    And fear works all kinds of ways. if we let fear make us more like them, we lose. They can't defeat us. we can only defeat ourselves.
    You will be them. That's the part you just won't get.

    You are defeating yourselves, and they know it. You've already abandoned a major part of your constitution and then try to make it look like a victory. Nobody is fooled by this.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    So true. Before long we'll be giving up our American ideals and acting like them--attacking civilians, disregarding the laws of our land and cultural heritage, and things like that. There will even be some among us who try to cajole us into behaving as they do, claiming that it is a more 'manly' way, that it is a more safe way.
    Your already giving up your "American ideals" as demonstrated in that jury decision, and the entire Terry Jones episode.

    This hysterical claim that civilians will be attacked and laws disregarded is the way teenage girls would respond, not serious adults, and this claim clearly demonstrates your lack of faith in your fellow citizens, your courts and your constitution..

    There is a time for rough men and there is a time for handwringing and it's important to know the when of it all..

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I knew somebody like that. Even toy guns with the orange cap thingy's at the end. No doubt her boys did not have a childhood.
    I'm against toy guns. They're dangerous. You need a real gun to actually defend yourself.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This hysterical claim that civilians will be attacked and laws disregarded is the way teenage girls would respond, not serious adults, and this claim clearly demonstrates your lack of faith in your fellow citizens, your courts and your constitution..
    Because you missed it, I'll spell it out. I was actually describing to you and your reaction. You can characterize your reaction however you wish.
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    There is a time for rough men and there is a time for handwringing and it's important to know the when of it all..
    As I already noted
    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    There will even be some among us who try to cajole us into behaving as they do, claiming that it is a more 'manly' way, that it is a more safe way.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    And the bogus CIA propoganda falls down when confronted w/former insider experts who are able to speak freely. . .

    Military interrogators: Waterboarding didn't yield tips that led to bin Laden - CSMonitor.com

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    And the bogus CIA propoganda falls down when confronted w/former insider experts who are able to speak freely.[/url]
    Did the CIA actually say anything about waterboarding yielding tips? Or was it instead politicos?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Best quote from the article:

    It is a misconception that ideologues don’t talk, he says. “The opinion that, ‘Oh, he’s such a fanatic, he won’t tell us anything' – that’s uninformed blathering by people who don’t understand the business,” Herrington adds. “The experience with those who worked with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and some of the other most senior terrorists is that they are narcissists and that they do want to talk – and talk and talk.”

    Somehow, I find it believable that some of these guys have an inflated sense of themselves.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    And the bogus CIA propoganda falls down when confronted w/former insider experts who are able to speak freely
    the ig's not free?

    then why did ERIC HOLDER issue the report on the monday preceding aug 29?

    more power to col herrington and his "handful of former intel officers"

    were they there?

    the ig talked talked to many who were

    "One hotly debated piece of information was the alias of the courier – Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti – that intelligence officials gained from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was subjected to waterboarding 183 times," recounts csm

    there's no argument about ksm offering up anything under duress, he didn't

    he became "cooperative," "to an extraordinary extent," he went thru "transformation" and "reversal" and became langley's "preeminent source" only after "his spirit was broken in the month after his capture" when he was subjected to extremely harsh eit's in east europe

    at this point, anyone who attempts to deny that eit's played an important role in the "transformation" of langley's preeminent source lacks credibility

    the road to the courier led thru ksm, zebaydah, ghul and al libi---all were eit'd

    it also appears to have relied on warrantless wiretapping

    col herrington concludes by anguishing over the execution instead of capture of ubl

    Interrogators, including Herrington, emphasize that they do not question the decisions of the Navy SEAL team operators to kill bin Laden. “It’s a hair-trigger moment. You can’t second guess that,” he says.

    Recent statements from Obama administration officials, however, indicate that bin Laden was unarmed. “Lurking in the background is that if [special operators] were told to go in and kill this guy – and they clearly understood the marching orders – he could have wrapped himself in an American flag and had a white flag in both hands” and still been killed, Herrington says. “Have we come to the point where it is simply seen as too much trouble to capture? [That it’s] better to kill and avoid the theatrics that have accompanied the trials of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and others?” he wonders.

    “What I want to know is,” asks Herrington, “was it wise?
    col herrington certainly is

    wise, that is

    kinda like hamlet, herrington thinks a lot, and deeply

    but assassinations are good and belly slaps are bad?

    ever heard of good cop/bad cop?

    herrington sounds to me like he'd make an outstanding good cop, and that's worth something

    like i said, more power to him

    either way, america owes great thanks to president obama for not dismantling the anti terror policies of his predecessor---gitmo, detention, the patriot act---thus allowing our agents and soldiers to make this happen
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Best quote from the article:

    It is a misconception that ideologues don’t talk, he says. “The opinion that, ‘Oh, he’s such a fanatic, he won’t tell us anything' – that’s uninformed blathering by people who don’t understand the business,” Herrington adds. “The experience with those who worked with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and some of the other most senior terrorists is that they are narcissists and that they do want to talk – and talk and talk.”

    Somehow, I find it believable that some of these guys have an inflated sense of themselves.
    You know, I think this is a really good point that I've not really considered before. But certainly, the key to getting people to talk is all about appealing to the person directly, who they are, what they're all about. Maybe this sounds like an odd comparison, but hopefully the point will come through....I'm a poker enthusiast. I play quite often, several times a week usually. I love the game. I'm not a super-star, but I'm a pretty decent player and have my days often enough when I can be quite tough. Anyway, what I'm trying to get at is that in poker, one of the most important things is to get people to tell you information, so that you can use that to your advantage. They can tell you things in alot of ways, and of course any good poker player will then learn how to avoid giving information. So what do you do? You then have to come back at him and bait him into giving you the information you want. You have to figure the person out. Figure out what makes him tick, so that you can convince him to do things that he ends up thinking are his idea. Get him to show his cards after you've made a tough fold. Get him to belie the strength of his hand based on the way he raises or calls. You just have to make sure that the way you do it is tailored around his personality. I'm sure a skilled government interrogator is well aware of this kind of thing.

    Think about it for a moment....Has Al Qaeda ever attacked us without loudly claiming the responsibility? Has that ever been the smart thing to do? Of course not. But they love an audience.
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    We're dealing with master Satanists here. The fact that there's no evidence proves that it's true.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by gekaap View Post
    Think about it for a moment....Has Al Qaeda ever attacked us without loudly claiming the responsibility? Has that ever been the smart thing to do? Of course not. But they love an audience.
    Yeah, they denied being responsible for 9/11.
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