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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    There was me hoping kids where intelligent enough these day's to be able to distinguish between the two. Toy gun's where my life, i'm 18 turning 19 and i haven't shot anybody yet.
    It's not a matter of being intelligent. Plenty of smart people do stupid crap due to bad habits. Beyond the bad habits is a basic disrepect for serious things, which is instilled via the "we can practice one thing and do another" attitude.

    I take guns seriously. What else can I say?
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's not a matter of being intelligent. Plenty of smart people do stupid crap due to bad habits.
    I have never seen evidence that toy guns promote bad habits it's why i can't agree with you on that one i'm afraid.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Bad training promotes bad habits. You disagree? My only evidence is logic.

    Let's just hope that those bad habits and lack of discipline are never realized during the possession of an actual weapon.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    he's hardly going out of his way in any assertion, either way
    In the report I read, it's pointed out several times that the efficacy of the EIT could not be judged. Whether that constitutes "going out of his way" is certainly debatable. But it's mentioned multiple times in multiple sections.


    I would guess that the IG would support Zyphilin's position he expressed earlier in the thread. I mean if Zyph were to ask him as you suggested.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Bad training promotes bad habits. You disagree? My only evidence is logic.

    Let's just hope that those bad habits and lack of discipline are never realized during the possession of an actual weapon.
    I agree with the moral of what your saying, i just don't agree that a toy gun promotes any sort of bad habit. I can't talk for every individual on this planet naturally but i think by far and large most mature people wouldn't treat a real gun like a toy gun, or at least if they did it wouldn't change much if they had never come in contact with a toy gun.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I have never seen evidence that toy guns promote bad habits it's why i can't agree with you on that one i'm afraid.
    My 83-year-old mom will never forget the day she almost shot her brother. Mom was, prolly, 50 years old. Her brother a few years older. She was back home visiting them in the Kentucky hills. She lives in Chicago. There was a toy gun sitting on the table. She picked it up, cocked it and pointed it at my uncle and said, "Don't get smart with me, older brother!" My uncle quietly said, "Rosey, that's a real gun. Just put it right down now." OMFG!! Mom thought it was a toy.

    I hear that story and think, "How could you mistake a real gun for a toy? The weight alone...." But, that's what happened. Probably a really good reason to teach kids all about guns when they're young if you're a family who has guns in the house.

    Sorry for diverting...just brought back a memory.
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    no mention of length of stay, not in the ig's report made public by doj in august, 09
    from : http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...k_Muhammad.pdf
    223. Prior to the use of EITs, Abu Zubaydah provided information for [] intelligence reports. Interrogators applied the waterboard to Abu Zubaydah at least 83 times during August 2002. During the period between the end of the use of the waterboard and 30 April 2003, he provided information for approximately [] additional reports. It is not possible to say definitively that the wateboard is the reason for Abu Zubaydah's increased production, or if another factor, such as the length of detention, was the catalyst.
    I may be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That would be inhaling... swallowing goes to the stomach...
    And that's what they do. remember, they're trying to breath.


    Not when you also deny it. Waterboarding is not torture, except to little girly-men that go to stylists instead of barbers.
    Not sure what you mean by deny it, but you're factually incorrect concerning waterboarding. It is and always ahs been torture. If it were as easy as you THINK it woud not do anything. It woudl not even get the confessions it is so successful at getting regardless of actual guilt. however, regardless, we have history that shows we, the US, have considered it torture in the past. And rightly so.

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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    My 83-year-old mom will never forget the day she almost shot her brother. Mom was, prolly, 50 years old. Her brother a few years older. She was back home visiting them in the Kentucky hills. She lives in Chicago. There was a toy gun sitting on the table. She picked it up, cocked it and pointed it at my uncle and said, "Don't get smart with me, older brother!" My uncle quietly said, "Rosey, that's a real gun. Just put it right down now." OMFG!! Mom thought it was a toy.

    I hear that story and think, "How could you mistake a real gun for a toy? The weight alone...." But, that's what happened. Probably a really good reason to teach kids all about guns when they're young if you're a family who has guns in the house.

    Sorry for diverting...just brought back a memory.
    Oh no >.<
    Was the safety on?
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    Re: Osama Bin Laden is dead

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Oh no >.<
    Was the safety on?
    I don't know. One would hope...
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