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    Re: Americans Favor GOP on Budget: Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    It used to be that Democrats were just tax and spend nuts.

    Today their game has changed under Socialist/Marxist Obama, he not only doesn't learn from his mistakes, to him they are not mistakes because he is on track to to wreck the economy, which is part of his Black Liberation Theology.

    GOP is not the answer Conservatism is.
    You can't really believe Obama is a socialist. Do you even know what socialism means? That is a serious question. The only politician we have on the national scene that is a socialist is Bernie Sanders.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    and what does that chart do after 2008?
    Goes up by about the same rate if the wars are included in both.

    You know what happens to the chart if we ended the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq while eliminating the Bush tax cuts (which Rove admitted were engineered to be a time bomb for Dems btw)? Not only does it take a sharp decline, but its only slightly more expensive, by about a few 100 billion, than Ryan's plan. without removing the investment in things like schools, infrastructure, and energy and doesn't touch Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security (they remain solvent for the same time period as Ryan's plan)

    The complicated situation we find ourselves was caused by several things

    * Decline in revenue base from both tax cuts and job loss/lack of growth
    * 2 Wars completely paid for with borrowed money that are still on going (no exist stratagem from Bush)
    * Housing collapse caused by ease of credit which was caused by a toxic cocktail of Fed manipulation, FHA polices, systemic banker greed
    * Finical deregulation that allowed banks to have less capital to back deposits and make risky investments with said deposits
    * Fractional reserve system in general


    Most of the problems could be fixed by getting rid of the fractional reserve system by making it illegal because it is fraud. This would remove the strain on the Fed/Treasury by not requiring to ensure depositors funds are insured, make credit availability more in line with market demand, etc while at the same time allowing the deregulations to have nearly no affect on the system as a whole, since the "banks" would only have their own money to risk, not others.

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    Re: Americans Favor GOP on Budget: Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Councilman, You can't really believe Obama is a socialist. Do you even know what socialism means?
    The short answer is, no, he doesn't. The ultra far right use the TurtleDude economic ideology scale to determine what is socialism. See the illustration below:

    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

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    Re: Americans Favor GOP on Budget: Poll

    Proving that they are both corporatist. That or Obama caved to avoid losing, and perhaps even gaining some political capital. We'll know soonish though

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    Re: Americans Favor GOP on Budget: Poll

    vote for obama, 2012!

    he's corporatist!

    you'll know!

    soonish!

    LOL!

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    Re: Americans Favor GOP on Budget: Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    vote for obama, 2012!

    he's corporatist!

    you'll know!

    soonish!

    LOL!
    He is a corporatist even if he doesn't agree with the tax cuts. Your little example just might not prove it. get it?

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    Re: Americans Favor GOP on Budget: Poll

    vote obama, 2012!

    he caved to avoid losing!

    LOL!

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    Re: Americans Favor GOP on Budget: Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    and what does that chart do after 2008?
    2009 would be the the cut-off... and it does continue to climb as Bush turned over a budget that was running 1.2T deficits....

    What is your point? That the debt to GDP continues to climb? Yes, it does. Would you like an explanation? Sorry, but the economy that Obama inherited had GDP in decline and deficits running a $1.2T per year. Given that you can not turnaround an economy very quick, its still Bush's fault for some reasonable period of time into the new presidency.

    Obama is guilty of not fixing the mess, but not guilty of creating it.

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    Re: Americans Favor GOP on Budget: Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    and what percent agree with the President's plan to cut Medicare by having an unaccountable board of bureacrats ration care?

    when you actually ask Americans which they support - the Ryan or the Presidential plan, what do they answer?

    If you use that sort of language in your polling, of course you can skew it towards the results you want.

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    Re: Americans Favor GOP on Budget: Poll

    vote, obama, 2012!

    he's guilty of not fixing the mess!

    tho he didn't create it!

    i'm sorry, folks, i don't mean to belittle

    it's that it's such a LOSING campaign

    and it IS pretty accurately the lay of the land

    stay up

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