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    Re: Circumcision to be banned in San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannosaur View Post
    That was a typo.
    oh okay, i totally agree.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Circumcision to be banned in San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    How is it augmenting if a part of your tool is being taken away?
    Face it, no one likes a member that looks like a shriveled ant-eater.
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    Re: Circumcision to be banned in San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Face it, no one likes a member that looks like a shriveled ant-eater.
    lol all i'm sayin is augmenting means adding. Unless you think circumcision is somehow addition by subtraction.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Circumcision to be banned in San Francisco

    Is it bad that I didn't know what circumcision was until I was 17?

    I believe the World Health Organization determined that circumcised men are less likely to contract HIV that uncircumcised men.

    WHO | World Health Organization

    An important consideration, particularly for San Francisco.

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    Re: Circumcision to be banned in San Francisco

    1 Many older men, who have bladder or prostate gland problems, also develop difficulties with their foreskins due to their surgeon's handling, cleaning, and using instruments. Some of these patients will need circumcising. Afterwards it is often astonishing to find some who have never ever seen their glans (knob) exposed before!

    2 Some older men develop cancer of the penis - about 1 in 1000 - fairly rare, but tragic if you or your son are in that small statistic. Infant circumcision gives almost 100% protection, and young adult circumcision also gives a large degree of protection.

    3 Cancer of the cervix in women is due to the Human Papilloma Virus. It thrives under and on the foreskin from where it can be transmitted during intercourse. An article in the British Medical Journal in April 2002 suggested that at least 20% of cancer of the cervix would be avoided if all men were circumcised. Surely that alone makes it worth doing?

    4 Protection against HIV and AIDS. Another British Medical Journal article in May 2000 suggested that circumcised men are 8 times less likely to contract the HIV virus. (It is very important here to say that the risk is still far too high and that condoms and safe sex must be used - this applies also to preventing cancer of the cervix in women who have several partners.)

    A BBC television programme in November 2000 showed two Ugandan tribes across the valley from one another. One practised circumcision and had very little AIDS, whereas, it was common in the other tribe, who then also started circumcising. This programme showed how the infection thrived in the lining of the foreskin, making it much easier to pass on.

    5 As with HIV, so some protection exists against other sexually transmitted infections. Accordingly, if a condom splits or comes off, there is some protection for the couple. However, the only safe sex is to stick to one partner or abstain.

    6 Lots of men, and their partners, prefer the appearance of their penis after circumcision, It is odour-free, it feels cleaner, and they enjoy better sex. Awareness of a good body image is a very important factor in building self confidence.

    7 Balanitis is an unpleasant, often recurring, inflammation of the glans. It is quite common and can be prevented by circumcision.

    8 Urinary tract infections sometimes occur in babies and can be quite serious. Circumcision in infancy makes it 10 times less likely.
    If that's not improved upon in an augmented fashion, I don't know what is.
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    Re: Circumcision to be banned in San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    If that's not improved upon in an augmented fashion, I don't know what is.
    Guess we just have different notion's of what "augmenting" means. To me "augmenting" would be like if my dick grew 5 inches.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Circumcision to be banned in San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Call it mutilation if you like, I prefer to think of it as augmentation.
    I have heard it called partial penis amputation

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    Re: Circumcision to be banned in San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Is it bad that I didn't know what circumcision was until I was 17?

    I believe the World Health Organization determined that circumcised men are less likely to contract HIV that uncircumcised men.

    WHO | World Health Organization

    An important consideration, particularly for San Francisco.
    I have seen that argument before, and that is one reason why it makes sense today... The other reasons are religious tradition. It's kind of a weird tradition that seems to have no explanation for it in religious texts.

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    Re: Circumcision to be banned in San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Is it bad that I didn't know what circumcision was until I was 17?

    I believe the World Health Organization determined that circumcised men are less likely to contract HIV that uncircumcised men.

    WHO | World Health Organization

    An important consideration, particularly for San Francisco.
    But the link you provided explicitly says that circumcision only reduces the risk of contracting HIV in heterosexual men, if that's what you were alluding to.

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    Re: Circumcision to be banned in San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    If that's not improved upon in an augmented fashion, I don't know what is.
    Anyone want to keep foreskin? Show of hands.
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