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BWG said:
You're conflicting land mass with population mass.

Mass transit is not a cure all and not for everyone, but a supplementary assist.
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How high does the price of gasoline have to get before it is a cure-all? Does $15. a gallon scare you onto mass transit? Maybe $5.00 and hour parking? At what point does your machine become the supplemental assist?
 
cpwill said:
your source says "cities and suburbs", but mass-transit is only really plausible in cities, and between large cities that sees regular commuter traffic. internal to large cities yes. parts of the heavily urbanized north east yes. the suburbs, no. the notion that mass transit is somehow the "ticket to winning the future"? it would be laughable if only it's idiot adherents were'nt so serious.
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So you are satisfied with the old horse & buggy, the slower lifestyle, the less efficient productivity, higher product costs, and mass annual deaths on highways. And making a better America is laughable. Why does Archie Bunker come to mind when I read your posts? LOL!
 
shintao said:
So you are satisfied with the old horse & buggy, the slower lifestyle, the less efficient productivity, higher product costs, and mass annual deaths on highways
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yup. that's what the American people want. and i happen to cling to this quaint notion that they are in charge. but i don't see the individual freedom present in driving your own vehicle to be anything that you describe - on the contrary i find it to be (perhaps uniquely) American. socialized transportation is no better than socialized food or any other such foolish endevour.
 
UtahBill said:
"RESIGN" yourself to this, Obama has a very good chance of winning. So far, all the GOP has offered up is tweedle dee, tweedle dum, and tweedle dumber...
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And all of the above are better than twiddle dumbest, the current idiot n chief.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: snopes confirms the loan was approved, and merely points out that Obama wasn't responsible - bureacrats were. it's still "our" money they're loaning - hence the "we" that you questioned.
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He wasn't responsible but birthers and bigots keep attaching his name to things they don't like.....and that is fine with you?
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: snopes confirms the loan was approved, and merely points out that Obama wasn't responsible - bureacrats were. it's still "our" money they're loaning - hence the "we" that you questioned.
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3 Republicans, 2 democrats, ALL appointed by GWB, they made the decision.....just in case you didn't read all of the snopes article....
 
UtahBill said:
He wasn't responsible but birthers and bigots keep attaching his name to things they don't like.....and that is fine with you?
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nope, i hope that WSJ issued a retraction - and i would absolutely hold them responsible if they didn't. but WSJ is neither a birther or a bigot. trying to connect the two is no more legitimate than me pointing out that you had problems with Bush and so did the 9/11 truthers.
 
shintao said:
Just a typical Capitalist economy that can't cure itself, kinda like Humpty Dumpty. Good thing Obama isn't a socialist, huh?
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vote obama, 2012!

capitalism is running amok!

fries with that?
 
 
 
UtahBill said:
"RESIGN" yourself to this, Obama has a very good chance of winning. So far, all the GOP has offered up is tweedle dee, tweedle dum, and tweedle dumber...
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Cain, Bachmann, Pawlenty, Santorum, Romney, are all running. They could all beat Obama.
 
Barbbtx said:
Cain, Bachmann, Pawlenty, Santorum, Romney, are all running. They could all beat Obama.
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Romney/Bachmann. What a ticket. It would be like McCain/Palin all over again. I agree, they could totally beat Obama.
 
shintao said:
How high does the price of gasoline have to get before it is a cure-all? Does $15. a gallon scare you onto mass transit? Maybe $5.00 and hour parking? At what point does your machine become the supplemental assist?
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That's called a nudge, and we're on to it. Obama wants prices high to nudge us into behaving in a way he approves of. Mass transit? Maybe we value our freedom to come and go as we please and not on a train or bus schedule devised by someone else. Tiny cars? Maybe we like our Pickups and SUV's. Maybe some of us have things to haul, and kids and dogs to take places. We like our vehicles and we like our freedom. Mass transit has it's place, but it's not in most of the country. We don't live like that, and we have no desire to. High gas prices would kill us and that's one reason this president needs to go. What he wants for this country is not what the majority wants. I believe the liberal/socialist/Dems are still out numbered.
 
Barbbtx said:
Cain, Bachmann, Pawlenty, Santorum, Romney, are all running. They could all beat Obama.
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Don't know all of them, yet, but I know that a few of them generate bile in the pits of conservative stomachs.....
Cain, no
West, maybe
Bachman, hell no
Pawlenty, no
Santorum, no
Romney, maybe
Try a Romney West ticket, with either in top slot...
 
whysoserious said:
Romney/Bachmann. What a ticket. It would be like McCain/Palin all over again. I agree, they could totally beat Obama.
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There's an effort going on to draft Allen West. If that happens, Obama may as well give up now.
 
Barbbtx said:
That's called a nudge, and we're on to it. Obama wants prices high to nudge us into behaving in a way he approves of. Mass transit? Maybe we value our freedom to come and go as we please and not on a train or bus schedule devised by someone else. Tiny cars? Maybe we like our Pickups and SUV's. Maybe some of us have things to haul, and kids and dogs to take places. We like our vehicles and we like our freedom. Mass transit has it's place, but it's not in most of the country. We don't live like that, and we have no desire to. High gas prices would kill us and that's one reason this president needs to go. What he wants for this country is not what the majority wants. I believe the liberal/socialist/Dems are still out numbered.
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as you say, Mass transit is not suitable for any place that isn't densely populated...
I have seen many empty or near empty busses in and around Logan, Utah. Close in, around the University and downtown, the system gets used some, but it will be a money loser for a long time to come.
But we have had high gas prices before, and will again. It is silly to blame the president for all market conditions. Now, if he were an actual dictator, or royal prince, maybe he could have the govt subsidize gasoline prices... Yeah, that's what we need, more subsidies......(sarcasm).....
 
shintao said:
So you are satisfied with the old horse & buggy, the slower lifestyle, the less efficient productivity, higher product costs, and mass annual deaths on highways. And making a better America is laughable. Why does Archie Bunker come to mind when I read your posts? LOL!
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Why does the cradle to grave Denmark come to mind whenever I read your posts.
You seem so appauled by people being free to do pretty much what they want. You want them all under control, going and coming on the schedule of someone else, and using only government approved light bulbs.
 
cpwill said:
yup. that's what the American people want. and i happen to cling to this quaint notion that they are in charge. but i don't see the individual freedom present in driving your own vehicle to be anything that you describe - on the contrary i find it to be (perhaps uniquely) American. socialized transportation is no better than socialized food or any other such foolish endevour.
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Thank you! I knew there was a word to describe my feelings towards mass transit!
 
The Prof said:
vote obama, 2012!

capitalism is running amok!

fries with that?
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Hmm, I have been thinking about an order of fries all afternoon. I am having a pool party tomorrow, so have been busy getting it ready, and couldn't get away. I have two Fry-Daddys, but no fry oil, so.........Good thought.:lol:
 
UtahBill said:
He wasn't responsible but birthers and bigots keep attaching his name to things they don't like.....and that is fine with you?
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Doesn't sound like he had a problem with it.

Obama to Brazil: we will buy your oil after giving you $2 billion to drill it - National Finance Examiner | Examiner.com
President Obama in a speech down in Brazil on March 19th told local businessmen in the nation state that the US is looking forward to being their best customer in buying oil from their offshore drilling. This policy to purchase more foreign oil comes after we invested over $2 Billion with Brazil's state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil's Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro.
“We want to help you with the technology and support to develop these oil reserves safely. And when you’re ready to start selling, we want to be one of your best customers. At a time when we’ve been reminded how easily instability in other parts of the world can affect the price of oil, the United States could not be happier with the potential for a new, stable source of energy.” - White House Press Briefing, March 19th
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