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Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

whysoserious said:
Really? You didn't vote for him so quit telling me why I elected him. Go hang out with McCain and Palin and talk about who is more maverick, rogue, and outsiderish.
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LOL! Now that is funny right there!
 
Barbbtx said:
We'll be running out any day now. I've been hearing that for fifty years. Oh well, we can convert our cars to natural gas if the environmental wack jobs would get out of the way.
Peak Oil Debunked: 404. 100 YEARS OF NATURAL GAS
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Its not about the end of oil Barb, its about the end of cheap oil, so better get busy converting your car to natural gas, since it is another finite fossil fuel that we also are importing. Oh, and btw, it ain't going to be cheap either!
 
Barbbtx said:
I guess the idea of drilling in AWYR doesn't sound so bad now.
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We saved more oil in this administrations increase in CAFE standards that we could have gotten from ANWR, and we didn't have to damage one of the world's greatest National Wildlife Refuges.

As John McCain said, when he voted against drilling in ANWR in 2010 - “We ought not drill in the Everglades, we ought not drill in the Grand Canyon, we ought not drill in ANWR.” :sun
 
I was wondering how long it would be before the Peak Oil nonsense came up. So where are the people screaming about the need to "load up on guns and supplies"?
 
Demon of Light said:
I was wondering how long it would be before the Peak Oil nonsense came up. So where are the people screaming about the need to "load up on guns and supplies"?
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You mean the peak oil "nonsense" that the US Military issued a warning about in March of last year?
 
haymarket said:
Wal mart needs to stop selling all those expensive products made by greedy American unionists making high wages and getting cadillac benefits. If they bought overseas from people operating sweatshops using child labor, they could lower those prices and attract more business.
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Econ 101 for Dummies says:

"WalMart would go bust if they tried to buy American products only."​

Of course that would probably please the Economic Numbskull Crowd.

You really should have picked up Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations. Here is a free copy. Free as in you do not have to pay for it: An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith - Project Gutenberg

You really should have grasped long ago the fact unions have destroyed manufacturing jobs by artificially inflating wages of employees and saddling companies (and state taxpayers) with unnecessary burdens. Burdens the individual should have taken care of themselves.

You might want to try Free to Choose by Milton Friedman while you're at it.

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Barbbtx said:
We'll be running out any day now. I've been hearing that for fifty years. Oh well, we can convert our cars to natural gas if the environmental wack jobs would get out of the way.
Peak Oil Debunked: 404. 100 YEARS OF NATURAL GAS
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I actually think you're missing the point. I'm not saying we're running out at this time, I'm just saying that you won't be able to buy gas for the same price forever because it's not unlimited. Same deal with NG. Using something that exists in a limited supply and expect it to remain the same price forever is unrealistic. It's probably better for people to get used to the idea sooner rather than later, supplies are going to run out eventually and we'll have to do something to prepare before then. It doesn't matter if we pass the buck down the road, that's just leaving the problem for the next generations to deal with.

It's a lot easier for those of you who think climate change isn't real science to argue that there's no reason to move away from fossil fuel sources, but in reality there's nothing but good that can come from moving away from finite sources of energy to those that are renewable.
 
Catawba said:
You mean the peak oil "nonsense" that the US Military issued a warning about in March of last year?
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Issuing a warning doesn't give the claim legitimacy. Certainly oil is not a renewable energy source in the sense that it does not get regularly produced in nature to replace what has been used, but that does not mean the Peak Oil narrative is legitimate.
 
Catawba said:
Obama created peak oil?
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no. Obama (and congressional democrats) policies have necessitated huge bond-purchases by the FED, which is destroying the dollar. Oil is sold in dollars, so as the dollar goes down, oil goes up.
 
zimmer said:
Ahhhhhhhhh... the smell of Jimmy Carter II in the air.

It's nice Jimmy the Second has had a laser-like focus on the economy.

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I thought conservatives wanted the government to stay out of peoples lives. That includes how much they pay in gasoline as well as health care.

Be careful what you wish for.
 
samsmart said:
I thought conservatives wanted the government to stay out of peoples lives. That includes how much they pay in gasoline as well as health care.

Be careful what you wish for.
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we want a minimalist government. one, that, for example, doesn't perform a number of boneheaded actions that unecessarily drive up the cost of food and energy.
 
Catawba said:
Its not about the end of oil Barb, its about the end of cheap oil, so better get busy converting your car to natural gas, since it is another finite fossil fuel that we also are importing. Oh, and btw, it ain't going to be cheap either!
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Or better get used to more public transportation. Rather than using different cheaper fuels another alternative is to using what fuels we do have more efficiently. A ton of fuel gets wasted in things like traffic jams. More public transportation will what fuels we use to be used cheaper longer. That's what we should focus on right now.
 
zimmer said:
Ahhhhhhhhh... the smell of Jimmy Carter II in the air.

It's nice Jimmy the Second has had a laser-like focus on the economy.

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The Mayor has proclaimed that Jimmy Carter is no longer the third worst president the United States has ever had. He became the fourth worst president when it became apparent that Obama's goals are not those conducive to the continued prosperity of America.
 
Catawba said:
The severe recession Obama inherited wasn't created overnight and it will not completely recover overnight. We have ignored our major problems such as the highest healthcare costs in the world, peak oil, and tax cuts for the rich for decades and we are feeling the effects of it on our economy.
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The year is 2011. Obama has been in office more than half the only term he's going get. When Obama inherited the economy, it managed to, without any help from him, to flatten out and grow slightly.

That means the current dip is 100% his responsibilty. He turned a growing economy into a stagnant but inflating economy (gee, the United States hasn't seen it's buddy stagflation since Carter was kicked out), and chances are good that it's not going to stay stagflated, but go into another full blown recession...with inflation, thanks to the Fed monetizing the debt.
 
StillBallin75 said:
What's so special about the 1st of 15th? They have a sale or something?
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It's when the welfare checks come in.

And from the Mayor's youthful experience with K-Mart, what happens is that the shoplifters have money so they go to the store to steal, since they can pay for things if they get caught.

Unless Wal-Mart has a Will Prosecute policy, that's happening there, too. Also, the shoplifters like to go when there's a crowd.
 
Sanosuke said:
Does anyone else find it funny that people are complaining so much about rising gas prices? How can you expect the price of a FINITE resource to remain the same forever? The answer? You can't. I thought conservatives were free market types, understanding of supply and demand. When supply goes down and demand remains the same the price will go up. We might be able to fenagle our way through a few more years with prices remaining artificially low because of deals cut by the government, or by taking over oil rich countries, but it's not gonna last forever.
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Given that the United States has a couple trillion barrels of reserves, it could last a really long time.
 
Barbbtx said:
Yea, that's why I don't understand the liberal hate for Wal-mart. Wal-mart makes money stretch farther for low income people and those on government subsidies.
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Including all the union people who shop there...
 
Barbbtx said:
We can give Brazil 2 billion dollars to drill in the gulf and tell them we'll be their best customer, but we won't open up ANWR. Makes no sense to me.
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It makes perfect sense. Just stop pretending the Leftists have the good future of the United States as their goal, because they don't.

The United States is the only nation not only not exploiting it's natural resources but actively trying to shut down all such operations.

The leftists at the EPA refused a drilling permit to Shell Oil for the North Slope of Alaska because the ice breaker used in their plan would not cause the air in a Eskimoo village 100 km away to exceed the EPA air quality standards.

That's right. The impact would be within EPA standards, so they were denied the permit for ALMOST exceeding them. Since Obama has not fired the head of the EPA over this, Obama should be impeached. This is one of those things that are more important that the latest forged birth certificate.
 
whysoserious said:
quit telling me why I elected him
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few care why you voted the way you did

the AMERICAN PEOPLE elected barack the slasher hussein to FIX this economy

unfortunately, it aint working

Q1 GDP report: Economic growth slows to 1.8%

which is why FORTY SIX PERCENT of americans, according to gallup, april 26, say they DEFINITELY will not vote for barack the slasher come 2012

latest gallup numbers « InvestmentWatch

why has the united states senate failed to publish a budget in SEVEN HUNDRED DAYS?

why has hurryup harry failed to move, up, down or sideways, on hr1 which he's been sitting on for months?

where's the president's proposal to tax the rich or go after big oil, why has his ACTION been confined to making great speeches, excellent speeches, instead of producing LEGISLATION?

in TIMES LIKE THESE, shouldn't americans expect A PLAN?

leadership, anyone?

how's afghanistan going?

what's happening in libya?

what's the slasher's response to syria, yemen, the dangerous deal done by fatah/hamas?

where are the palestinian peace talks?

whatever happened to global warming and international climate accords?

when will the slasher meet with the leaders of iran, without preconditions, like he promised?

what's up with gitmo, civilian trials, the patriot act, detention, rendition, the prosecution of the cia?

why did the entire economic team QUIT, summers, romer, orszag?

why have so many from his security squad skedaddled, blair, jones, mcchrystal?

why did hillary's camp leak she just couldn't take it anymore, the "indecision," the "amateurs?"

why doesn't the slasher talk anymore about the stimulus, his health care bill, his reg reform?

what's changed since november when americans rewarded the party of no with the most house seats since 1938, most state reps and assemblies in history, 10 gubs, 6 senators?

the longform?

LOL!

party on, progressives

seeya at the polls

bring your unionists, SLASHED in numbers and clout by the likes of CUOMO, MOONBEAM, DEVAL PATRICK...
 
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Sanosuke said:
It's a lot easier for those of you who think climate change isn't real science to argue that there's no reason to move away from fossil fuel sources, but in reality there's nothing but good that can come from moving away from finite sources of energy to those that are renewable.
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That's only if you believe the destruction of the economy of the United States is a good thing.

The Mayor believes it's not good, no, not at all. The government is artificially stifling the market by shutting down oil exploration and exploitation and refining in this country.
 
The Prof said:
few care why you voted the way you did

the AMERICAN PEOPLE elected barack the slasher hussein to FIX this economy
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No, they didn't. Most of the people who voted for Obama were voting for skin color and teleprompter reading skills. They're too ignorant to know what was wrong with the economy, and hence too ignorant to know what they were voting for, and why.


why has the united states senate failed to publish a budget in SEVEN HUNDRED DAYS?
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Because Obama has more important things to deal with, like showing off his fresh-ink birth certificate and rushing off to tape an Oprah show and attend fund raisers.

And he manages to squeeze that important stuff in-between the essential golf matches the Constitution says he must perform.

in TIMES LIKE THESE, shouldn't americans expect A PLAN?

leadership, anyone?

how's afghanistan going?

what's happening in libya?

what's the slasher's response to syria, yemen, the dangerous deal done by fatah/hamas?

where are the palestinian peace talks?
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Shhh....he's trying to improve that hook....his balls don't go anywhere near far enough to the left...

whatever happened to global warming and international climate accords?
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Obama's listening to Led Zeppelin's The Lemon Song, and he wants to be America's "back door man". He's trying to get the EPA to impose by unlegislated regulation what he can't get done by Congress. The people watch Congress, the EPA ignores the people.
 
samsmart said:
Or better get used to more public transportation. Rather than using different cheaper fuels another alternative is to using what fuels we do have more efficiently. A ton of fuel gets wasted in things like traffic jams. More public transportation will what fuels we use to be used cheaper longer. That's what we should focus on right now.
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buses, trains, and the like are only viable options for select, heavily urbanized areas. for the vast majority of the nation they are simply impractical.

how about (i know, this is crazy) letting people decide for themselves what is the best or cheapest way for them to aquire transportation to get to where they want to go?
 
Barbbtx said:
Yea, that's why I don't understand the liberal hate for Wal-mart. Wal-mart makes money stretch farther for low income people and those on government subsidies.
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Wal Mart does exactly what Liberal government claims it will do. It is one reason they hate it so. They expose a giganormous chasm between reality and rhetoric.

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