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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanosuke View Post
    You know oil and gas companies received billions of dollars a year in subsidies right? Both in the US and Canada? Why the hell do we do that when they're making billions a quarter in profits?

    Arguing that renewables aren't efficient enough or that they'll ruin the economy is avoiding the fact that eventually oil and gas WILL be gone. If we don't prepare for that day we'll really be up a creek without a paddle when it happens. Then the economy will crash and we won't be able to go anywhere because of our short-sightedness and lack of planning. It's ridiculous.
    Except that is 100's of years off, and there is no reason to believe we will be unprepared when it happens. Hyperbole much?

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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanosuke View Post
    I actually think you're missing the point. I'm not saying we're running out at this time, I'm just saying that you won't be able to buy gas for the same price forever because it's not unlimited. Same deal with NG. Using something that exists in a limited supply and expect it to remain the same price forever is unrealistic. It's probably better for people to get used to the idea sooner rather than later, supplies are going to run out eventually and we'll have to do something to prepare before then. It doesn't matter if we pass the buck down the road, that's just leaving the problem for the next generations to deal with.

    It's a lot easier for those of you who think climate change isn't real science to argue that there's no reason to move away from fossil fuel sources, but in reality there's nothing but good that can come from moving away from finite sources of energy to those that are renewable.
    You're missing the point that there are more finds all the time. Not only that but there are places where we knew there was oil or natural gas but couldn't get to it. With new technologies we can and those technologies will improve as time goes by. To say we will run out any time soon and prices must continue to rise is ludicrous. I'm not saying prices won't rise but they don't have to. Some people want prices high to further their green agenda of electric cars, mass transit, etc. mass transit means more control over people's lives which is what those on the left want.
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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Some people want prices high to further their green agenda
    and THAT's the point, right there

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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I know this will result in a slew of insults for my ideological stand point, but....

    those are the days the welfare/SSI checks are received/deposited/cashed. Also, the days food stamp cards are re-upped.
    How racist!!!
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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And specifically what exactly is that which wal mart does that government will not do?
    They make things affordable for people who could not afford them otherwise.
    Government answer to that is, keep prices high with unions, buying American, etc. then take from those who can afford them and give to those who can't. Their goal is not to raise up the have nots, but bring down the haves.
    Wal-mart doesn't hurt the haves, so therefore they must be bad.
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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    You smell Jimmy because it's Obama, but you didn't smell him when it was Bush...

    Jimmy tried to fix prices. Obama isn't planning on doing that.
    Do I smell Free Market Exercise, and Capitalism is good, Socialism is bad in the air?? And why should Obama be involved in regulating corporations? I thought demand regulated price under Capitalism, especially when people run out of money. Maybe WallyMart should lower their prices and quit sniveling at the good fortune of Big Oil.
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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I know this will result in a slew of insults for my ideological stand point, but....

    those are the days the welfare/SSI checks are received/deposited/cashed. Also, the days food stamp cards are re-upped.
    My SS check does not come on either of those days.....don't get the others so I can't say about them...
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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Except that is 100's of years off, and there is no reason to believe we will be unprepared when it happens. Hyperbole much?
    Article | Running Out of Oil? History, Technology and Abundance
    Almost since the first discoveries of oil in the U.S. in 1859, people have been saying we're running out. In 1874, the state geologist of the nation's leading oil producer, Pennsylvania, warned the U.S. had enough oil to last just four years. In 1914, the federal government said we had a ten-year supply. The government announced in 1940 that reserves would be depleted within a decade and a half. The Club of Rome made similar claims in the 1970s. President Carter famously predicted in 1977 that unless we made drastic cuts in our oil consumption, "Within ten years we would not be able to import enough oil — from any country, at any acceptable price." And so it goes today, where a slew of books and Web sites make fantastic claims about dwindling supplies of crude.
    The chief problem with those who say the world is running out is that they have always looked at the issue the wrong way. Questions about energy supply shouldn't be thought of in terms of how much is available, but in terms of how good mankind is at finding and extracting it.
    In the years after Col. Drake discovered oil at Titusville, Pennsylvania, on the eve of the Civil War, wildcatters could only drill down several hundred feet. If we were confined to relying solely upon the technology available in the 19th century — or, for that matter, the tools available just three decades ago — then yes, quite possibly we could be looking at the end of oil.
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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    today:

    Pessimism over the nation’s economy is hampering President Obama’s efforts to build momentum for his reelection campaign.

    The Commerce Department on Thursday reported the economy grew at a sluggish 1.8 percent in the first three months of 2011, the same day a poll found voter confidence in the president’s stewardship of the economy hitting a new low.

    The Marist-McClatchy poll found that only 40 percent of registered voters approve of Obama’s handling of the economy, with a considerably higher number of Democrats and independents raising doubts.

    Since January, the number of Democrats who disapprove of Obama’s handling of the economy has nearly doubled, growing 12 percentage points to 27 percent, while the percentage of independents casting doubt has grown from 50 percent in January to 63 percent, the poll found.

    Both numbers will be troubling to a White House that needs to turn out its base in 2012 and win a significant number of independent voters. The state of the economy is almost always a decisive factor for presidents seeking reelection.

    The dropping poll numbers coincide with rising gas prices, worries about inflation and a series of debates on the federal debt that paint a gloomy picture of the nation’s finances.
    Economy puts crimp on Obama - TheHill.com

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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    The problem is Peak Oilists always like to cite the U.S. peak in production, but there is a much simpler answer for that. Can anyone tell me something else in the U.S. that started at the beginning of the 1970's?
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