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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    speaking of revisionism, which part of carter's position on energy related to social justice in any way?
    The former president has said that the Carter Center, an Atlanta, Georgia-based organization devoted to global peace and social justice, may be his greatest legacy.

    Jimmy Carter wins Nobel Peace Prize - CNN

    Now obviously, I didn't present that Carter's energy proposals were specific to his "social justice" agenda's, that was you making that leap. I only used "social justice" as an example. But, seeing as that he openly is committed to this agenda in all facets of his life's work, I am betting that it had a place in his thought on the subject.

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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The S&L crises was not the result of deficit spending - but it is instructive. Because Reagan's response was basically to do nothing.... now, compare that recovery to the one we are currently enjoying and ask yourself which one you think appears to have come from a wiser policy.

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    The Reagan/Bush Admin did nothing regarding the S&L crisis?

    I do recall the US government set up a large bailout program in response to theS&L crisis
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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you keep saying that as though it were a magic talisman, when all the evidence is against it. mindlessly repeating a just-so argument isn't exactly an effective debate - it's the internet equivelent of the school yard "uh-huh!, nuh-uh!, uh-huh!, nuh-uh!".



    incorrect. deficit spending hampered him the economy in his later years - as he himself acknowledged. that's why he made his "i'll raise a dollar of taxes for every three you cut" deal with the Democrats.... only to get suckered into going first. Reagan achieved the growth he did by breaking inflation, restoring the dollar, deregulation, and reducing tax rates.
    The deficits during the Reagan admin were larger in % of GDP and in dollar amounts then the growth of the US economy in $ terms and % of GDP terms. The vast amounts of government borrowing provided a stimulus to the US economy, that caused the USG debt to GDP to jump by 20 % or so by the end of the Reagan government.

    The US economy would not have grown had the US government not run the large deficits. Deregulation or not, the Reagan years of growth was funded by government borrowing
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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The Reagan/Bush Admin did nothing regarding the S&L crisis?

    I do recall the US government set up a large bailout program in response to theS&L crisis
    sure they did, they made sure neil didn't go to jail.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    : it gets rid of the regressive payroll tax. That's one of the many reasons I would favor it -
    OF course you know, getting rid of payroll taxes would put thousands out of work, and surprise! surprise!, put Obama at risk in 2012. Someday you're really going to surprise me by backing a progressive, non-partisan plan.

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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Now obviously, I didn't present that Carter's energy proposals were specific to his "social justice" agenda's, that was you making that leap. I only used "social justice" as an example. But, seeing as that he openly is committed to this agenda in all facets of his life's work, I am betting that it had a place in his thought on the subject.

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    Ah, so at least you admit that your statement was revisionist.

    And seeing as I did limit my statements to his position on energy, your response was useless partisan nonsense.

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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    No $hit Sherlock. With Obama in charge of our dwindling resources it's amazing anyone has anything left to spend.

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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I agree with most of what you say, except the comment that seems to think multiple A/Cs are a bad idea. In fact, heating and cooling by zones is the most efficient way to heat and cool homes, especially larger or multi-story ones.

    But, Carter was still an idiot and the worst president in my lifetime.
    umm, Bush?
    I agree that Carter was overall a disaster, but he did get one thing right. It takes a hard right conservative to not give him credit for that.
    Our Utah house has a basement that never needs cooling, a main floor of 1850. sq ft. that doesn't need much cooling, and a loft (half the size of the main floor) that does need cooling during the hotter parts of the summer, so the single AC unit is installed in a storage room in the loft, and ducted only to the loft, and the cool air winds its way down an open stairway.
    It is smaller than the contractor said we needed for upstairs, not to mention we didnt' install the main unit he wanted to install for the rest of the house. If some future owner wants the main AC installed,, the gas furnace in the basement is alreay prewired and preplumbed to accept it, the outside unit is not installed. The gas furnace is only ducted to the basement and main floor. Heat rises.....up the stairs..
    When we aren't using the basement, all the registers are shut except to the 2 bathrooms.
    Our utility bills reflect our efforts to conserve....
    now if we can just get the cable TV, internet, and telephone usage down....
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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    OF course you know, getting rid of payroll taxes would put thousands out of work, and surprise! surprise!, put Obama at risk in 2012.
    let me see if i have this straight. you are claiming that reducing the cost of hiring someone, will cause businesses to fire people.... because you believe..... that businesses hate to make money?

    Someday you're really going to surprise me by backing a progressive, non-partisan plan.

    ricksfolly
    what, you mean one that helps poor people? check out my social security fix thread - which i demonstrated would make our working poor financially independent upon retirement even under the worst of economic conditions and individual decisions. all self-identified liberals voted against it (except for one) and when i asked why they wouldn't be in favor of a plan that was of such obvious benefit to the poor, one such voter (haymarket) told me "that's not our fight".

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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    now if we can just get the cable TV, internet, and telephone usage down....
    that's what everybody's saying

    and that's the problem

    energy, baby!

    we need it, the world needs it---critically

    so why, mr president, all this "investment" in only all green butterfly wings

    i mean, if you're gonna "invest," president slasher, then for goodness sake "invest"

    any and all sources of energy

    they're great JOBS, mr president

    many of them are real PROFESSIONS

    y'know, productive, secure, with room for advancement, bennies, health care...

    know the man

    mr president actually PREFERS eight dollar gas

    else why appoint CHU

    to, y'know, ENERGY

    it's laughable

    mr president told the sf chron his AMBITION was to BANKRUPT coal/electrical

    it is what it is, it is the record

    ie, know the man

    seeya at the polls, pals

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