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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    which part of this pristine wilderness is being plundered? I will have to find it again, but seems I read that the scenic parts aren't being considered for drilling. Most land based oil wells are on flat plains.

    I think our efforts will be better spent developing alternatives to burning finite fossil fuels.
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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    vote obama, 2012!

    ascending gas prices will discourage excess travel!

    no wonder the slasher's economic approvals are 20 points below, americans are ON to him

    seeya at the polls, progressives

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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I think our efforts will be better spent developing alternatives to burning finite fossil fuels.
    However, You don't have one thing that is viable enough to replace it. So your plan is to choke off economic prosperity, and strangling the middle, and poor classes with abusive tax, and price with NOTHING to fit your utopian view of what should be. It is poorly thought out, and a failure. It reminds me of the guy who wants to remodel the kitchen, so instead of going out and pricing everything he needs to make a plan to do it, he just takes the sledge hammer and starts swinging.

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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    However, You don't have one thing that is viable enough to replace it. So your plan is to choke off economic prosperity, and strangling the middle, and poor classes with abusive tax, and price with NOTHING to fit your utopian view of what should be. It is poorly thought out, and a failure. It reminds me of the guy who wants to remodel the kitchen, so instead of going out and pricing everything he needs to make a plan to do it, he just takes the sledge hammer and starts swinging.

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    Obama put the sledgehammer back in his holster. He is going back to the policies that got us here in the first place.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...675369892.html
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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    more subsidies to "alternative energies"? that's his brand new idea? more of what has failed for a decade?

    hooray.

    dollars to doughnuts that - unlike his claims that he would expand drilling - he at least actually means this?

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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Obama didn't beat McCain as much as McCain sabotaged his own campaign. I think Romney could have beat Obama, but it was McCain's turn at bat.
    The GOP needs a new strategy, one that involves new blood, new thinking. Old is so passe'.
    Marco Rubio - I really think it will happen.

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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We all vote for whom we consider to be the lesser of evils. Who's your favorite to win the short straw draw on the GOP side to have to run against Obama this time?
    Mitch Daniels.

    from earlier in this thread, actually:



    Mitch Daniels Executive Career as Governor of Indiana is Impressive. When Daniels took office, the state had an $800-million deficit. He turned that into a $1.3-billion surplus. He reduced the growth in government from over 5% a year to 2.8% a year, and reduced the state workforce by 18%. He cut property taxes and moved to shift the state onto a consumption tax. The state of Indiana is now sitting on a nice big fat emergency fund, and - as other states are increasingly desperate to cover increasingly dangerous budget gaps - Indiana is trying to figure out how to refund it's tax surplus back to the taxpayers.

    he's also successfully demonstrated how to reform healthcare with Indiana's state employees: Hoosiers and HSA's

    ...The HSA option has proven highly popular. This year, over 70% of our 30,000 Indiana state workers chose it, by far the highest in public-sector America... State employees enrolled in the consumer-driven plan will save more than $8 million in 2010 compared to their coworkers in the old-fashioned preferred provider organization (PPO) alternative. In the second straight year in which we've been forced to skip salary increases, workers switching to the HSA are adding thousands of dollars to their take-home pay... In a time of severe budgetary stress, Indiana will save at least $20 million in 2010 because of our high HSA enrollment. Mercer calculates the state's total costs are being reduced by 11% solely due to the HSA option..
    and now he's reforming entitlements in his state in the sameway: Medicaid Meets Health Savings Accounts in Indiana. The CATO guys are furious because they're worried that Daniels Reforms will work TOO well:

    ...I support HSAs because they allow workers to reclaim control over a portion of their health-care dollars, and I support expanding them so workers can control all their health-care dollars. Within the context of Medicaid, however, the advantages of HSAs are actually a problem. Medicaid is welfare. By offering Medicaid enrollees the freedom and opportunity for wealth accumulation that HSAs create, the Daniels plan makes Medicaid more attractive...

    In addition, Daniels pulled off what took Walker a month and a nightmare on his very first day in office. He just passed a state-wide school voucher program, is set to end Medicaid coverage for Planned Parenthood, in a move that will leave Indiana with some of the nations' tightest restrictions on Abortion.



    The attack will be, what a hard core, conservative right winger, right? Sure he's could pick up the nomination, but he could never win a general; certainly he's turned off the moderates, the independents, and so forth?

    Nope. Daniels won reelection in 2008 - the year of the Democratic sweep - by 18 points, even as his state voted for Obama He picked up 20% of the black vote and won the under-30 vote by 7 points.

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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No, but the liberals fought oil drilling even under Bush. Remember "Drill baby drill", and how you guys said oh it will be ten years before you see a drop. Well had we started we'd be a lot closer by now, not to mention no one ever provided evidence it would take ten years.
    hmmm.... gosh... if we'd started drilling in 2001... and it takes ten years to get everything fully up and running...


    ....hmmm..... 2001 plus 10.......

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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    However, You don't have one thing that is viable enough to replace it.
    Probably why we shouldn't have sit around for the last 40 years with our oiled thumbs up our butts than, huh?


    So your plan is to choke off economic prosperity, and strangling the middle, and poor classes with abusive tax, and price with NOTHING to fit your utopian view of what should be. It is poorly thought out, and a failure. It reminds me of the guy who wants to remodel the kitchen, so instead of going out and pricing everything he needs to make a plan to do it, he just takes the sledge hammer and starts swinging.
    It wasn't my plan. I voted for the guy who had an energy plan 30 years ago that would have prevented, or lessened the energy crisis we face now of our own making.
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    Re: Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are 'running out of money'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    hmmm.... gosh... if we'd started drilling in 2001... and it takes ten years to get everything fully up and running...


    ....hmmm..... 2001 plus 10.......
    2025, or thereabouts, using "new" math.....
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