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    Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    A different version of this story was posted, but I want to post this for some information it provides, that I hadn't heard before.

    On April 4 in Faryab province of northwest Afghanistan, a man wearing an Afghan border police uniform shot and killed two American military personnel. NATO intelligence officials said the shooter was upset over the recent burning of the Quran at a Florida church. The Quran burning, which Karzai denounced, also was the impetus for angry protesters to storm a U.N. compound in Masar-i-Sharif on April 1 and kill four Nepalese guards and three international U.N. staffers.
    This part made my blood boil. Pastor Jones has American blood on his hands. Now, I don't want to give any more attention to that d**k, but the point I want to drive home is that his speech directly caused the death of 2 American servicemen.
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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    I don't support legislation banning whatever Pastor Jones did. But it clearly wasn't a good idea and didn't help.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post

    [...] his speech directly caused the death of 2 American servicemen.
    No, it was indirect. The shooter directly killed.

    Not defending the pastor, he's a dumbass, but he didn't actually kill anybody... the afghan ****wad did.

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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    No, it was indirect. The shooter directly killed.

    Not defending the pastor, he's a dumbass, but he didn't actually kill anybody... the afghan ****wad did.
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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I don't support legislation banning whatever Pastor Jones did. But it clearly wasn't a good idea and didn't help.
    I don't either, I'd have liked to see some court action however. I wouldn't mind if the families of those servicemen sued Jones.
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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    No, it was indirect. The shooter directly killed.

    Not defending the pastor, he's a dumbass, but he didn't actually kill anybody... the afghan ****wad did.
    That's a good point. In any case I wanted to cement the causal link between Jones and the death of those 2 Americans, and that seems pretty undeniable in this scenario.
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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I don't either, I'd have liked to see some court action however. I wouldn't mind if the families of those servicemen sued Jones.
    They could try; i'm not sure how far they would get and what basis a judge would have for ruling in their favor. It's not exactly the same thing as yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    They could try; i'm not sure how far they would get and what basis a judge would have for ruling in their favor. It's not exactly the same thing as yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.
    It isn't, but I think it'd be a good opportunity for the courts to establish that inciting others to riot and an immediate breach of the peace can take place in more than the immediate vicinity. More than that, in this case, there was clear concern that these specific actions could result in American casualties.
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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    why are we there? I asked the same question when Bush was in office? Let them have that stink hole..


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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    why are we there? I asked the same question when Bush was in office? Let them have that stink hole..


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    If we pull out now, who knows what the consequences might be. Hence why policymakers should take heed and learn the lessons of my sig line.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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