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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

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    So what do you think should happen to this preacher and the media concerning their supposed accountability in the murders in Afganistan?
    Should happen? I don't know... nothing will happen. I don't think he should be arrested or anything. I don't think free speech should be limited. I just don't think he is 100% innocent, even if he didn't pull the trigger. He is worse than the Westboro Baptist Church. At least their events and protests don't end up with dead people... least not yet

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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Should happen? I don't know... nothing will happen. I don't think he should be arrested or anything. I don't think free speech should be limited. I just don't think he is 100% innocent, even if he didn't pull the trigger. He is worse than the Westboro Baptist Church. At least their events and protests don't end up with dead people... least not yet
    Yeah, well I think he's despicable too. But just as you've agreed, he's not legally accountable and nothing's going to happen. And if you don't want to limit free speech, then I guess you also think that nothing should happen.

    I disagree that he's worse than westboro, but that's just a matter of personal opinion based on the fact that, without the media's help, the pastor would be completely inconsequential... Westboro actively seeks to do emotional harm to others in person. Pastor, westboro, media -- all equally assholes, but none are accountable for the murder but the murderer himself.

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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

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    Right... this asshole pastor knew the risk, he knew there would be a violent response and that is what he is accountable for. He essentially put other people's lives at risk. He is a ****ing coward.
    I have already said that I dont think he should be held criminally liable, but civilly? Yeah...I'm betting they could make a pretty decent case for it. Or better yet, lets just scoop him up and take him to Afghanistan and put him on a 10 city speaking and Koran burning tour...that should do the trick.

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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

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    Yeah, well I think he's despicable too. But just as you've agreed, he's not legally accountable and nothing's going to happen. And if you don't want to limit free speech, then I guess you also think that nothing should happen.

    I disagree that he's worse than westboro, but that's just a matter of personal opinion based on the fact that, without the media's help, the pastor would be completely inconsequential... Westboro actively seeks to do emotional harm to others in person. Pastor, westboro, media -- all equally assholes, but none are accountable for the murder but the murderer himself.
    What I know about the law I learned from Law and Order...which means...I know nothing about the law...admittedly...but I dont know that he would not be found legally liable. He already threatened to burn the Koran but then stopped and discussed it indicating he understood there was a potential for his specific act to cause someone else to die. Maybe not criminally...but...Id be suing his ass if my kid was the one hurt because of his dickless gutless spineless act of cowardice.

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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

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    Yeah, well I think he's despicable too. But just as you've agreed, he's not legally accountable and nothing's going to happen. And if you don't want to limit free speech, then I guess you also think that nothing should happen.

    I disagree that he's worse than westboro, but that's just a matter of personal opinion based on the fact that, without the media's help, the pastor would be completely inconsequential... Westboro actively seeks to do emotional harm to others in person. Pastor, westboro, media -- all equally assholes, but none are accountable for the murder but the murderer himself.
    I see it differently... Charles Mason didn't kill anybody himself, but he encouraged his followers to kill and was sentenced to death for his role in the family. The trail was even built against his followers to convince the jury the followers weren't forced to do it, completely brainwashed and drugged, and that they acted on their own homicidal instincts to some extent. The prosecutor used evidence such as many of the followers made death threats or acted violently or sadistically before joining the Mason Family, and that is why all involved were also sentenced to death.

    There is no question many of them had issues and probably psychological problems before joining Mason, but there is no question that Manson also influenced them to kill. He couldn't influence all his members to kill. One member I believe went on a trip, but she stayed in the car... He knew some members were less likely to kill.

    This is the same with the pastor. He influenced the situation.

    Osama bin Ladan didn't run planes into buildings on 9/11 but we still hold him accountable for his role. This pastor is a religious leader. He might not be killing people himself, but most leaders hate groups don't do the killing themselves or go to prison. I think this pastor is motivated by some hatred he has of the ME and of Islam. He is just as ignorant as the guy leading the Westboro Baptist Church. The only difference is nobody has been killed because of the WBC... They are like trolls but they are trolling in real life, not on the internet.

    The WBC is responsible for causing a lot pain and hurt. They are disrespectful and a disgusting bunch, no doubt...

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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I have already said that I dont think he should be held criminally liable, but civilly? Yeah...I'm betting they could make a pretty decent case for it. Or better yet, lets just scoop him up and take him to Afghanistan and put him on a 10 city speaking and Koran burning tour...that should do the trick.
    I like the idea of putting him in the middle east... In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets killed or some extremist tries to like the Danish cartoonist. And when/if he does get killed, I won't feel sorry for him either. I didn't feel sorry when the white supremacist leader in CA got killed either...

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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    I just looked up that Mason was convicted under a joint responsibility rule...

    "which makes each member of a conspiracy guilty of crimes his fellow conspirators commit in furtherance of the conspiracy's object."

    ... so it was basically conspiracy.

    Charles Manson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

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    I want to drive home is that his speech directly caused the death of 2 American servicemen.
    lol....thats intolerant bs

    You're sitting there whining about how intolerant, the Pastor is for mocking a religion (book burning) that is attempting to subvert and destroy the American way of life. I find that incredibly ironic.

    Bitching about him being intolerant of a religion that is the sheer definition of intolerance. If that makes him intolerant, then he should be proud of it. We should ALL be intolerant of them. Any religion that kills people over a ****ing drawing (among other atrocities, want a list?)...like some stupid ass book burning should not be tolerated. Period. Did the Catholics attempt to kill Kevin Smith for using the Buddy Christ in the movie "Dogma"? **** no. Had that been "Hommie Mohammed" instead of "Buddy Christ", oh holy ****, Smith's career would have been cut drastically short.

    You are aware that it's not Christians we're fighting in A-stan, and other 3rd World ****-holes, right? It ain't the Jews planting IEDs. Wiccans aren't blowing themselves up in crowds of people. Hell, not even the Scientology ****s are strapping bombs on children. Mormons didn't kill some of my friends family members and friends. Do you see a pattern emerging here?

    You, and all those you love - your momma and daddy, your sisters and brothers, old silver-haired granny, your children, friends and other loved ones - are all fair game in the great game we call jihad. They want to ****ing kill them all, and they're deadly serious about it. They'd gladly take a 90 year old granny stuck in her wheel chair, chop her ****ing head off with a butterknife, and they'd revel in that ****. They'd throw a ****ing party. That is what you're defending with your posts.

    Afghan lowlife did the deed.. Pastor did absolutely nothing wrong somewhat insulting, sophomoric, even poor taste (book burning)....probably, but this is a free country, with free speech - even the insulting kind, just ask the President - and getting called names is just part of it.

    It's hardly persecution.
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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    lol....thats intolerant bs

    You're sitting there whining about how intolerant, the Pastor is for mocking a religion (book burning) that is attempting to subvert and destroy the American way of life. I find that incredibly ironic.

    Bitching about him being intolerant of a religion that is the sheer definition of intolerance. If that makes him intolerant, then he should be proud of it. We should ALL be intolerant of them. Any religion that kills people over a ****ing drawing (among other atrocities, want a list?)...like some stupid ass book burning should not be tolerated. Period. Did the Catholics attempt to kill Kevin Smith for using the Buddy Christ in the movie "Dogma"? **** no. Had that been "Hommie Mohammed" instead of "Buddy Christ", oh holy ****, Smith's career would have been cut drastically short.

    You are aware that it's not Christians we're fighting in A-stan, and other 3rd World ****-holes, right? It ain't the Jews planting IEDs. Wiccans aren't blowing themselves up in crowds of people. Hell, not even the Scientology ****s are strapping bombs on children. Mormons didn't kill some of my friends family members and friends. Do you see a pattern emerging here?

    You, and all those you love - your momma and daddy, your sisters and brothers, old silver-haired granny, your children, friends and other loved ones - are all fair game in the great game we call jihad. They want to ****ing kill them all, and they're deadly serious about it. They'd gladly take a 90 year old granny stuck in her wheel chair, chop her ****ing head off with a butterknife, and they'd revel in that ****. They'd throw a ****ing party. That is what you're defending with your posts.

    Afghan lowlife did the deed.. Pastor did absolutely nothing wrong somewhat insulting, sophomoric, even poor taste (book burning)....probably, but this is a free country, with free speech - even the insulting kind, just ask the President - and getting called names is just part of it.

    It's hardly persecution.
    No one is suggesting those that did the deed dont bare ultimate responsibility. I wont speak for others but I think the guy is a cowardly little bitch that needlessly risked others lives while hiding under the protection and skirt of his 'rights'. I think it can be reasonably proven that he knew damn goods and well that his actions would bring about an intended result...that is...the death of SOMEONE not himself.

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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    If we pull out now, who knows what the consequences might be. Hence why policymakers should take heed and learn the lessons of my sig line.
    What does A-stan have to offer the core? Why should the core spend one life there?

    If you don't know what the core is, Pentagon's New Map.

    Get it here...Amazon.com: The Pentagon's New Map: War and Peace in the Twenty-First Century (9780399151750): Thomas P.M. Barnett: Books

    Read it

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