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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    Were not really talking about who to excuse, but who to hold accountable for the killings. The men who pulled the trigger are accountable -- to go further looking to place responsibility for the act turns this into a witch-hunt -- especially considering the fact that he didn't actually violate the law.

    So here's where I stand: In my personal opinion, the pastor's a reckless idiot, but he didn't do anything illegal and is in no way legally responsible for killings across the world. At least not in this case. I think he does bear moral/ethical responsibility to a certain extent -- he'll pay for it eventually.
    He isn't legally responsible, however, the murders have said his actions are why they are killing people...

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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I don't support legislation banning whatever Pastor Jones did. But it clearly wasn't a good idea and didn't help.
    This please.

    Anyway, I was the one who posted the other version of the story, if anyone was wondering.

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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    A different version of this story was posted, but I want to post this for some information it provides, that I hadn't heard before.



    This part made my blood boil. Pastor Jones has American blood on his hands. Now, I don't want to give any more attention to that d**k, but the point I want to drive home is that his speech directly caused the death of 2 American servicemen.
    Pastor Jones did not kill those people. Let's not be stupid and blame an idiot who merely exercised his rights with the innane and insane actions of ****tard terrorists. No freedom for fear.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    He isn't legally responsible, however, the murders have said his actions are why they are killing people...
    So people are responsible for the actions of mad men? Were the Jews partially responsible for Hitler's actions against them because they were Jews and they knew he hated them? Insane people are insane, there's no point in bowing to them; it will only get worse.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    He isn't legally responsible, however, the murders have said his actions are why they are killing people...
    Yeah, so what about it?

    Murderers might say a lot of things, that doesn't mean they can transfer the responsibility for what they've done to anybody else -- not without actual proof of direct involvement, anyway.

    If we do anything to the pastor over this now we'd just be giving this murderer what he wants. We'd be reacting to his atrocity. He lashed out and blamed the pastor to make it seem like his actions were somehow justifiable. They aren't.
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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Don't like giving up what you perceive as your right to free speech? Feel free to pick up a rifle and join the other American soldiers who are giving their lives and limbs protecting your right to be an asshole.
    Did. Volunteered during war, infantry beyond the front line.

    And I want to be an asshole. Better the crazies show themselves now than later (after they've raised crazy kids). Bring 'em on.


    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    He isn't legally responsible, however, the murders have said his actions are why they are killing people...
    Please tell me that you no longer believe this has any validity. If you do not cease and desist, I will be forced to kill an innocent bug because of SheWolf. I normally don't kill bugs, and I know it is wrong but the above statement is intolerable.
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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    This guy makes the Westboro Baptist Church look like John Lennon
    Nah...they are the same kind of turd. The difference is wih the target audience. The Westboro 'church' people know that Americans arent going to respond violently.

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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So people are responsible for the actions of mad men? Were the Jews partially responsible for Hitler's actions against them because they were Jews and they knew he hated them? Insane people are insane, there's no point in bowing to them; it will only get worse.
    1. You Godwinned yourself.
    2. You are arguing that we are incapable of altering people's behaviour and altering environments that cause behaviour, which has been demonstrated by social scientists be a flawed notion.

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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    Yeah, so what about it?

    Murderers might say a lot of things, that doesn't mean they can transfer the responsibility for what they've done to anybody else -- not without actual proof of direct involvement, anyway.

    If we do anything to the pastor over this now we'd just be giving this murderer what he wants. We'd be reacting to his atrocity. He lashed out and blamed the pastor to make it seem like his actions were somehow justifiable. They aren't.
    The pastor's actions are not justifiable... that's like justifying the behavior the Westboro Church. The pastor is not guilty of murder, the pastor is guilty of baiting insane, murderous people to murder. He was warned by the Pentagon and by the terrorists themselves... ignorance is not an excuse. He did what he did, and he didn't give a **** about the safety of the troops or anybody else.

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    Re: Afghan officer opens fire, kills 9 Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Nah...they are the same kind of turd. The difference is wih the target audience. The Westboro 'church' people know that Americans arent going to respond violently.
    Right... this asshole pastor knew the risk, he knew there would be a violent response and that is what he is accountable for. He essentially put other people's lives at risk. He is a ****ing coward.

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