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    Vermont Senate Passes Legislation That Moves State Toward Single-Payor Health System

    Vermont Senate Passes Legislation That Moves State Toward Single-Payor Health System | News & Analysis

    The Vermont Senate has followed the House by passing legislation that would create the first steps toward a single-payor health system, according to a Bloomberg Businessweek report.

    The legislation, which is supported by Democratic Gov. Peter Shumlin, would set up a healthcare coverage exchange and a universal health insurance program for the state. The differences in the Senate and House bills are expected to be worked out in conference committee, according to the report.
    Was listening to a debate on NPR on this issue this morning as I was driving to schol. The article isn't too big on details but I'm sure a bit more googling give anyone who's interested deeper insight into the situation and what the legislation covers.
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    Re: Vermont Senate Passes Legislation That Moves State Toward Single-Payor Health Sys

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    Was listening to a debate on NPR on this issue this morning as I was driving to schol. The article isn't too big on details but I'm sure a bit more googling give anyone who's interested deeper insight into the situation and what the legislation covers.
    Wonder if there's an opt-out option if you want to maintain private coverage.
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    Re: Vermont Senate Passes Legislation That Moves State Toward Single-Payor Health Sys

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Wonder if there's an opt-out option if you want to maintain private coverage.
    Just going on what I heard this morning, I didn't hear any mention of it on the radio but I guess that doesn't necessarily mean it won't exist.
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    Re: Vermont Senate Passes Legislation That Moves State Toward Single-Payor Health Sys

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Just going on what I heard this morning, I didn't hear any mention of it on the radio but I guess that doesn't necessarily mean it won't exist.
    Not that I can imagine mandatory pay-outs into the "single payer" system AND private insurance premiums would be ideal for most people...
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    Re: Vermont Senate Passes Legislation That Moves State Toward Single-Payor Health Sys

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Wonder if there's an opt-out option if you want to maintain private coverage.
    You can't opt out, why would you want to do that? Mother Government will care for you. Whether you want her too or NOT.
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    Re: Vermont Senate Passes Legislation That Moves State Toward Single-Payor Health Sys

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You can't opt out, why would you want to do that? Mother Government will care for you. Whether you want her too or NOT.
    I was on Medicaid as a child/teen, before they created SCHIP. It wasn't great. I don't want anything remotely close to it again, if I can help it.
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    Re: Vermont Senate Passes Legislation That Moves State Toward Single-Payor Health Sys

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Not that I can imagine mandatory pay-outs into the "single payer" system AND private insurance premiums would be ideal for most people...
    I wouldn't be opposed to it, as long as it was understood that if the person's plan did not pay for something, then the state would not pick up the tab, even if it killed them (with the exception being children as they should not be punished for their parent's stupidity)
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    Re: Vermont Senate Passes Legislation That Moves State Toward Single-Payor Health Sys

    More power to them...as long as they are fully funding this on their own.

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    Re: Vermont Senate Passes Legislation That Moves State Toward Single-Payor Health Sys

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I wouldn't be opposed to it, as long as it was understood that if the person's plan did not pay for something, then the state would not pick up the tab, even if it killed them (with the exception being children as they should not be punished for their parent's stupidity)
    This, except for the child clause. Also, if I still have to pony up I should be able to change my mind and use it if I so please (not that I would). If the opt-out allows me to also opt-out of paying then I agree, except, again, for the child clause.

    I couldn't get a sonogram done on Medicaid because it was "unnecessary" according to the nifty flow chart the doctor had. Instead of diagnosing gall stones at 12 when the symptoms arose I had to wait until I was 16 and had "real" insurance to get somebody to run tests. I'll deal with insurance and their denials. I'll pay off hospital bills when I have to. I've had the alternative and I didn't like it.
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    Re: Vermont Senate Passes Legislation That Moves State Toward Single-Payor Health Sys

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I was on Medicaid as a child/teen, before they created SCHIP. It wasn't great. I don't want anything remotely close to it again, if I can help it.
    It wasn't great, but you were cared for if you were sick. Now I'm not here to advocate the single payer system as the ONLY option, but I do see severe problems with our healthcare system as it exists now. I find it ridiculous that we, as a supposedly passionate country, profit off of our sick. I also find it ridiculous that people are willing to exploit our social programs as is common in health, welfare, and unemployment.

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