Obama to speak on birth certificate

Sheik Yerbuti · May 16, 2011

Dirty Harry said:
It has been proven that most information obtained from torture is unreliable

ptif219 said:

Proven by who? People who are against it?

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(AP) Accused al Qaeda mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed complained that interrogators tortured lies out of him, though he proudly took credit for more than two dozen other terror plots, according to sections of government transcripts released Monday.

"I make up stories," Mohammed said at one point in his 2007 hearing at Guantanamo Bay.

In broken English, he described an interrogation in which he was asked the location of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

"Where is he? I don't know," Mohammed said. "Then he torture me. Then I said, `Yes, he is in this area or this is al Qaeda which I don't know him.' I said no, they torture me."

pbrauer · May 16, 2011

ptif219 said:
What did Obama do to find Bin Laden?

Candidate Barack Obama made a campaign promise that he would get Osama even if he was in Pakistan. John McCain criticised him for saying that. He told his CIA director that it was a high priority.

Bush said that he might be dead or living in a cave and was irrelevant, he didn't care about him. (he had his mind on Saddam Hussein.) We know now that Bin Laden wasn't irrelevant as Bush had said. Indeed the killing of Bin Laden has resulted in getting a huge cache of intelligence.

Dirty Harry · May 16, 2011

ptif219 said:
Thats right. Please mister terrorist give us information please. That will get us such credible information.

You are as bad as the terrorists. False information from torture does more damage to an investigation than tried and true methods. You have to be smarter than the terrorists. I really have never seen anyone so clueless as you.
Oh, sorry to hear your birther/torture candidate Trump isn't going to run. Seems his business is more important than the country.
One last time. Torture does not get us reliable information. It is totally useless. You would confess to just about anything under torture.

ptif219 · May 16, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
(AP) Accused al Qaeda mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed complained that interrogators tortured lies out of him, though he proudly took credit for more than two dozen other terror plots, according to sections of government transcripts released Monday.

"I make up stories," Mohammed said at one point in his 2007 hearing at Guantanamo Bay.

In broken English, he described an interrogation in which he was asked the location of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

"Where is he? I don't know," Mohammed said. "Then he torture me. Then I said, `Yes, he is in this area or this is al Qaeda which I don't know him.' I said no, they torture me."

You believe a man that admits he lies?

ptif219 · May 16, 2011

pbrauer said:
Candidate Barack Obama made a campaign promise that he would get Osama even if he was in Pakistan. John McCain criticised him for saying that. He told his CIA director that it was a high priority.

Bush said that he might be dead or living in a cave and was irrelevant, he didn't care about him. (he had his mind on Saddam Hussein.) We know now that Bin Laden wasn't irrelevant as Bush had said. Indeed the killing of Bin Laden has resulted in getting a huge cache of intelligence.

How do you know that? You are so busy denying Bush and p[raising Obama you make no sense. The CIA said intell came during Bush in interrogations in foreign countries.

ptif219 · May 16, 2011

Dirty Harry said:
You are as bad as the terrorists. False information from torture does more damage to an investigation than tried and true methods. You have to be smarter than the terrorists. I really have never seen anyone so clueless as you.
Oh, sorry to hear your birther/torture candidate Trump isn't going to run. Seems his business is more important than the country.
One last time. Torture does not get us reliable information. It is totally useless. You would confess to just about anything under torture.

Yes because your Bush bashing site says so.

We should just ask them and they will tell us.

Nice try but the information came from foreign country interrogations.

Enhanced Interrogation | Osama Bin Laden | Guantanamo Bay | The Daily Caller

CIA Director Leon Panetta stomped on the White House’s political script when he told Tuesday night’s broadcast of NBC Nightly News that the waterboarding of jihadi detainees contributed information that led to the location and killing of Osama bin Laden.

“We had multiple series of sources that provided information with regards to this situation… clearly some of it came from detainees [and] they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of those detainees,” he told NBC anchor Brian Williams.

When asked by Williams if water-boarding was part of the “enhanced interrogation techniques,” Panetta simply said “that’s correct.”

Read more: Enhanced Interrogation | Osama Bin Laden | Guantanamo Bay | The Daily Caller

Deuce · May 17, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Riiiight ... Bush, the shmuck who couldn't capture bin Laden when he had him cornered in Tora Bora ... the putz who couldn't find the WMD he invaded Iraq over ... the yutz who couldn't eat a pretzel without passing out. Please, if Bush were still president, Osama bin Laden would still be alive.

Partisan hackery and absolute statements about a hypothetical scenario with absolutely no reasoning behind them. Do you really think this post adds anything to the discussion?

Sheik Yerbuti · May 17, 2011

ptif219 said:
You believe a man that admits he lies?

Oh, my!

Ummm, need I remind you ... you're the one who took the position that waterboarding him led to the killing of Osama bin Laden. Now you roll over laughing at the notion of believing him. :doh

Sheik Yerbuti · May 17, 2011

Deuce said:
Partisan hackery and absolute statements about a hypothetical scenario with absolutely no reasoning behind them. Do you really think this post adds anything to the discussion?

It does for those of us who recognize that none of that was "hypothetical." It's meant to highlight what a bumbling idiot Bush was as president. He couldn't catch OBL if OBL surrendered himself at the White House. It took a week under his administration to get FEMA out to New Orleans following one of the worst natural disasters to befall America in modern times.

ptif219 · May 17, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Oh, my!

Ummm, need I remind you ... you're the one who took the position that waterboarding him led to the killing of Osama bin Laden. Now you roll over laughing at the notion of believing him. :doh

No because I know the CIA investigates what he says and sifts through the lies and acts on the ones found to be true.

Rep. King: Waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Gave Up Osama Bin Laden's Courier « CBS New York

“Osama bin Laden would not have been captured and killed if it were not for the initial information we got from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed after he was waterboarded,” Long Island Rep. Peter King told CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer.

It is a very controversial form of torture. Water is poured over the face of an immobilized captive, causing the individual to feel like he’s drowning. However, Rep. King, chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, said that very technique pried the name and identity of Osama bin Laden’s courier out of Mohammed — the mastermind of the 9/11 attack.

“The initial information we received on who the currier was, the person to lead us to bin Laden, came as the result of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed being waterboarded,” Rep. King said. “He appeared on the radar screen as a result of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s statements after he was waterboarded.”

Zyphlin · May 17, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Riiiight ... Bush, the shmuck who couldn't capture bin Laden when he had him cornered in Tora Bora ... the putz who couldn't find the WMD he invaded Iraq over ... the yutz who couldn't eat a pretzel without passing out. Please, if Bush were still president, Osama bin Laden would still be alive.

So rather than have an intelligent, reasoned conversation about this you want to act like a 3rd grader on a school yard throwing out insults like "putz and yutz".

My mistake, I thought I was on a debate site. Enjoy your partisan ranting. If anyone would like to prove to me that somehow George Bush wasn't President in 2004, when the beginning of this string of intelligence began to occur, they are more than welcome to do so.

ecofarm · May 17, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
It does for those of us who recognize that none of that was "hypothetical." It's meant to highlight what a bumbling idiot Bush was as president. He couldn't catch OBL if OBL surrendered himself at the White House. It took a week under his administration to get FEMA out to New Orleans following one of the worst natural disasters to befall America in modern times.

His administration wanted FEMA there before the hurricane hit; however, the mayor and gov did not want the feds in on their authority and resisted until things got out of hand. The (liberal) city and state execs decided when FEMA arrived.

j-mac · May 17, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
It does for those of us who recognize that none of that was "hypothetical."It's meant to highlight what a bumbling idiot Bush was as president. He couldn't catch OBL if OBL surrendered himself at the White House. It took a week under his administration to get FEMA out to New Orleans following one of the worst natural disasters to befall America in modern times.

Oh goody, are we now going to compare the response to natural disasters in LA, by both administrations? Because if you really want to have that food fight, I am sure you would lose that one.

Oh, and BTW, could you possibly post like an adult, if I want to read blue crayon, I'll ask my 5 year old niece to rewrite the postings.

j-mac

Dirty Harry · May 17, 2011

ptif219 said:
Yes because your Bush bashing site says so.

We should just ask them and they will tell us.

Nice try but the information came from foreign country interrogations.

Enhanced Interrogation | Osama Bin Laden | Guantanamo Bay | The Daily Caller

CIA Director Leon Panetta stomped on the White House’s political script when he told Tuesday night’s broadcast of NBC Nightly News that the waterboarding of jihadi detainees contributed information that led to the location and killing of Osama bin Laden.

“We had multiple series of sources that provided information with regards to this situation… clearly some of it came from detainees [and] they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of those detainees,” he told NBC anchor Brian Williams.

When asked by Williams if water-boarding was part of the “enhanced interrogation techniques,” Panetta simply said “that’s correct.”

Read more: Enhanced Interrogation | Osama Bin Laden | Guantanamo Bay | The Daily Caller

You are the most ignorant member here. Debating you is like debating a first grader.
Bad information, misinformation, lies and false leads are worse than no information at all. Bush's policies wasted resources and time and gave Bib laden years of extra life. Sorry, but that's the fact.
Maybe you should go back to the birther issue. You sound just as ignorant talking about that.

Here is another bush bashing site that tells the truth:
http://www.military.com/news/article/exinterrogator-torture-doesnt--work.html

Ex-Interrogator: Torture Doesn't Work
December 06, 2008
McClatchy-Tribune Information Services

Writing under the pseudonym of Matthew Alexander, a former special intelligence operations officer, who in 1996 led an interrogations team in Iraq, has written a compelling book where he details his direct experience with torture practices. He conducted more than 300 interrogations and supervised more than a thousand and was awarded a Bronze Star for his achievements in Iraq. Alexander's nonviolent interrogation methods led Special Forces to Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, the head of Al-Qaeda in Iraq. His new book is titled "How to Break a Terrorist: The US Interrogators Who Used Brains, Not Brutality, to Take Down the Deadliest Man in Iraq."

"It's extremely ineffective, and it's counterproductive to what we're trying to accomplish," he told reporters. "When we torture somebody, it hardens their resolve," Alexander explained. "The information that you get is unreliable ... And even if you do get reliable information, you're able to stop a terrorist attack, Al-Qaeda's then going to use the fact that we torture people to recruit new members." Alexander says torture techniques used in Iraq consistently failed to produce actionable intelligence and that methods outlined in the US Army Field Manual, which rest on confidence building, consistently worked and gave the interrogators access to critical information.

Redress · May 17, 2011

Moderator's Warning:

Dirty Harry is now thread banned.

Dittohead not! · May 17, 2011

ptif219 said:
No because I know the CIA investigates what he says and sifts through the lies and acts on the ones found to be true.

Rep. King: Waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Gave Up Osama Bin Laden's Courier « CBS New York

“Osama bin Laden would not have been captured and killed if it were not for the initial information we got from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed after he was waterboarded,” Long Island Rep. Peter King told CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer.

It is a very controversial form of torture. Water is poured over the face of an immobilized captive, causing the individual to feel like he’s drowning. However, Rep. King, chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, said that very technique pried the name and identity of Osama bin Laden’s courier out of Mohammed — the mastermind of the 9/11 attack.

“The initial information we received on who the currier was, the person to lead us to bin Laden, came as the result of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed being waterboarded,” Rep. King said. “He appeared on the radar screen as a result of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s statements after he was waterboarded.”

If Rep. King said it, then it must be true. Who ever heard of a Congressman actually bending the truth? And then there was his details.. what? No details? No backup? Just an unsupported statement? But he's a congressman. If you can't trust a congressman to always know and tell the truth, who can you trust?

j-mac · May 17, 2011

Dittohead not! said:
If Rep. King said it, then it must be true. Who ever heard of a Congressman actually bending the truth? And then there was his details.. what? No details? No backup? Just an unsupported statement? But he's a congressman. If you can't trust a congressman to always know and tell the truth, who can you trust?

So, should we only 'trust' the words of those that agree with you on the matter? Is that how we should go forward?

j-mac

Sheik Yerbuti · May 17, 2011

ptif219 said:
No because I know the CIA investigates what he says and sifts through the lies and acts on the ones found to be true.

Rep. King: Waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Gave Up Osama Bin Laden's Courier « CBS New York

“Osama bin Laden would not have been captured and killed if it were not for the initial information we got from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed after he was waterboarded,” Long Island Rep. Peter King told CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer.

It is a very controversial form of torture. Water is poured over the face of an immobilized captive, causing the individual to feel like he’s drowning. However, Rep. King, chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, said that very technique pried the name and identity of Osama bin Laden’s courier out of Mohammed — the mastermind of the 9/11 attack.

“The initial information we received on who the currier was, the person to lead us to bin Laden, came as the result of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed being waterboarded,” Rep. King said. “He appeared on the radar screen as a result of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s statements after he was waterboarded.”

Ummm, yeah ... this is the information the CIA gathered from KSM ...

1) The courier's fake name, "Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti"

2) And the lie that the courier was "retired."

Waterboarding did not help capture OBL. The valuable information came from detainees who were not tortured:

The claim

Torture interrogation techniques including waterboarding was key to finding the location of Osama bin Laden.

The background

After President Obama announced the killing of Osama bin Laden, U.S. Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, tweeted, "Wonder what President Obama thinks of waterboarding now?"

Rep. Peter King, R-NY, said, "Osama bin Laden would not have been captured and killed if it were not for the initial information we got from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed after he was waterboarded."

So what led U.S. forces to find bin Laden's Pakistan compound? The reported key was identifying the courier who transported the terrorist leader's messages. The only clue in 2002 and 2003 was the man's fake name: Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti.

In 2003, the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was captured, held at secret CIA prisons and waterboarded 183 times.

Waterboarding involves water being poured over the mouth and nose of a restrained prisoner, creating the sensation of drowning. It can cause extreme pain; damage to the lungs and brain; other injuries, including broken bones from struggling against restraints; and psychological damage.

Months after his waterboarding ended -- according to New York Times and Associated Press reports -- Mohammed was asked about the courier. He said he knew little but that the courier was "retired."

Fact Check: No evidence presented waterboarding helped find bin Laden | Reno Gazette-Journal | rgj.com

Sheik Yerbuti · May 17, 2011

j-mac;1059491635 said:
Oh goody, are we now going to compare the response to natural disasters in LA, by both administrations? Because if you really want to have that food fight, I am sure you would lose that one.

Oh, and BTW, could you possibly post like an adult, if I want to read blue crayon, I'll ask my 5 year old niece to rewrite the postings.

j-mac

It's not my fault you refuse to accept just how inept the Bush administration was.

Dittohead not! · May 17, 2011

j-mac said:
So, should we only 'trust' the words of those that agree with you on the matter? Is that how we should go forward?

j-mac

We shouldn't trust anyone who makes a claim unsupported by facts.

Except, of course for me. Whatever I say is always correct.

Sheik Yerbuti · May 17, 2011

ecofarm said:
His administration wanted FEMA there before the hurricane hit; however, the mayor and gov did not want the feds in on their authority and resisted until things got out of hand. The (liberal) city and state execs decided when FEMA arrived.

Ummm, nice talking point, but no, the governor, knowing how big the looming disaster would be as Katrina was upgraded to a level 5, requested assistance before the Hurricane even reached land...

August 27, 2005

Pursuant to 44 CFR § 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal.

Louisiana Governor's Office - Kathleen Babineaux Blanco

Bush responded to that by putting measures into place, specifically to the point, FEMA was authorized by Bush to provide aid to Louisiana ... that aid took almost a week to arrive.

You must think "Heckovajob" Brownie was fired because of the Liberal Media. :lol:

Sheik Yerbuti · May 17, 2011

Zyphlin said:
My mistake, I thought I was on a debate site. Enjoy your partisan ranting. If anyone would like to prove to me that somehow George Bush wasn't President in 2004, when the beginning of this string of intelligence began to occur, they are more than welcome to do so.

Being president isn't enough -- one has to be an effective president. Bush was incapable of capturing OBL, even when he had him cornered in Tora Bora. Osama bin Laden would still be alive today if Bush were still president. That's the credit Bush deserves.

ptif219 · May 17, 2011

Dirty Harry said:
You are the most ignorant member here. Debating you is like debating a first grader.
Bad information, misinformation, lies and false leads are worse than no information at all. Bush's policies wasted resources and time and gave Bib laden years of extra life. Sorry, but that's the fact.
Maybe you should go back to the birther issue. You sound just as ignorant talking about that.

Here is another bush bashing site that tells the truth:
Ex-Interrogator: Torture Doesn't Work

I post that Panetta said so. You do know he is Obama's head of the CIA? What more can I say. You will never give Bush credit and you will be happy to hear Obama take credit for what the military did.

ptif219 · May 17, 2011

Dittohead not! said:
If Rep. King said it, then it must be true. Who ever heard of a Congressman actually bending the truth? And then there was his details.. what? No details? No backup? Just an unsupported statement? But he's a congressman. If you can't trust a congressman to always know and tell the truth, who can you trust?

I also posted Panetta said it.

ptif219 · May 17, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Ummm, yeah ... this is the information the CIA gathered from KSM ...

1) The courier's fake name, "Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti"

2) And the lie that the courier was "retired."

Waterboarding did not help capture OBL. The valuable information came from detainees who were not tortured:

The claim

Torture interrogation techniques including waterboarding was key to finding the location of Osama bin Laden.

The background

After President Obama announced the killing of Osama bin Laden, U.S. Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, tweeted, "Wonder what President Obama thinks of waterboarding now?"

Rep. Peter King, R-NY, said, "Osama bin Laden would not have been captured and killed if it were not for the initial information we got from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed after he was waterboarded."

So what led U.S. forces to find bin Laden's Pakistan compound? The reported key was identifying the courier who transported the terrorist leader's messages. The only clue in 2002 and 2003 was the man's fake name: Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti.

In 2003, the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was captured, held at secret CIA prisons and waterboarded 183 times.

Waterboarding involves water being poured over the mouth and nose of a restrained prisoner, creating the sensation of drowning. It can cause extreme pain; damage to the lungs and brain; other injuries, including broken bones from struggling against restraints; and psychological damage.

Months after his waterboarding ended -- according to New York Times and Associated Press reports -- Mohammed was asked about the courier. He said he knew little but that the courier was "retired."

Fact Check: No evidence presented waterboarding helped find bin Laden | Reno Gazette-Journal | rgj.com

Post 1858 I showed a link that Panetta Obama's CIA chief also said it.

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