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Obama to speak on birth certificate

Kali said:
Again Bush said he was not really worried about him while he was in office. This is a fact.
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Yes, I said that he did and that both Presidents did. These are facts and not in dispute. There is no disagreement here.
 
xpiher said:
You are an idiot if you blame Obama for gas prices. That is a fact.

Also, if you care about government growth, you should of hated Bush. Bush ushered in the biggest expansion in Executive power and growth in government.
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Funny how Bush and Cheney were blamed but know Obama should get a pass. Double standard anyone
 
Dittohead not! said:
Do you think the government grew more under his administration than it did during the previous? Really?

We will eventually be looking at universal health care, or bankruptcy. We can't sustain our current system much longer.

Oh, and Obama still does not control the price of oil (that's from elsewhere in this thread, not the quote). If the price is high, it is not his fault. When it goes down, as it is now, that is not his credit. How much power do we attribute to the presidency, anyway?
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Obamacare will make healthcare worse and more expensive to tax payers.

Funny hoe Bush and Cheney were blamed but now Obama has no responsibility. No hypocrisy there LOL
 
ricksfolly said:
Of course, that's the way he should be. His military plans are top secret, and everything else he ventures to say is twisted by his opposition all out of proportion.

ricksfolly
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Funny how there was a different standard for Bush. The media investigated him without ceasing yet nothing on Obama they may even help Obama stay secretive. More double standard from the left
 
Grant said:
Yes, I said that he did and that both Presidents did. These are facts and not in dispute. There is no disagreement here.
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And one president went after him and one didn't.
 
Kali said:
Again Bush said he was not really worried about him while he was in office. This is a fact.
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Bush policies that Obama was against made it possible to get Bin Laden

Michael Barone: Bush policies helped Obama get bin Laden - Orange County Register

While we may not know all the details about and behind this operation, it's fascinating to see how many of the things that made the success of this operation possible were not so long ago decried by many of the president's fans and fellow partisans.

For one thing, it apparently would not have happened without those infamous enhanced interrogation techniques – "torture," according to critics of the Bush administration.

The enhanced interrogation techniques reportedly led to identification of the courier who eventually led our forces to bin Laden's hiding place. Critics of waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques assured us that "torture" could not produce reliable information.

They were probably right that sometimes such techniques yield false information. But the bin Laden operation shows that they can also produce actionable intelligence.

You may remember that many Democrats called for criminal prosecution of CIA interrogators who were acting under orders vetted by legal counsel. Attorney General Eric Holder actually considered bringing such prosecutions.
 
ptif219 said:
Bush policies that Obama was against made it possible to get Bin Laden

Michael Barone: Bush policies helped Obama get bin Laden - Orange County Register

While we may not know all the details about and behind this operation, it's fascinating to see how many of the things that made the success of this operation possible were not so long ago decried by many of the president's fans and fellow partisans.

For one thing, it apparently would not have happened without those infamous enhanced interrogation techniques – "torture," according to critics of the Bush administration.

The enhanced interrogation techniques reportedly led to identification of the courier who eventually led our forces to bin Laden's hiding place. Critics of waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques assured us that "torture" could not produce reliable information.

They were probably right that sometimes such techniques yield false information. But the bin Laden operation shows that they can also produce actionable intelligence.

You may remember that many Democrats called for criminal prosecution of CIA interrogators who were acting under orders vetted by legal counsel. Attorney General Eric Holder actually considered bringing such prosecutions.
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Fact Check: No evidence presented waterboarding helped find bin Laden
 
Dittohead not! said:
I'm not so sure.
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As more comes out, you will see.

Yes, both have been responsible for the out of control growth of government and resultant unsustainable spending.
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Agreed. Thank God that the people are waking up. Let's hope it isn't too late.

Every other government sponsors a universal health care in one form or another, and all of them are less expensive than what we have. If we can't do it too, then it's time to make some radical changes to our government.
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Every other country doesn't have 330 million people to cover, with 47% paying nothing either. Every other country doesn't have the innovation that the US has in the medical field. Every other country? Hell Mass. Health care which Obama is trying to hang around Romney saying that he fashioned his HC after that, is FAILING quickly.

Changes? yes. A failed HC system? no thanks.

By that, do you mean that the government is going to aggressively pursue our domestic resources?
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They're going to have to. The agitprop that "green" energy is the only path is nonsense. The people won't stand for $8 per gallon.

What about all of the oil and gas leases that are just waiting? Why doesn't the private sector exploit them? (Hint: profitability of the resources and cost of extraction.)
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What leases that have oil? Don't buy that hype, the Government has raked in millions off leases that either have nothing in them, or granting the leases then miring down the process through extensive regulation that makes it unprofitable. This meme about drilling going up and all, tell me, how is it a good thing that our own oil production is down? If drilling is up? Sounds to me like Obama is playing a shell game, and when this scam is revealed his head on a pike may not be enough.

All by himself?

No, the president of a Constitutional Republic with a capitalistic economic system simply doesn't have that kind of power.
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Yet, through a signing statement, and his unelected regulatory bodies he is end running the congress at every turn he can. Try again.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
As more comes out, you will see.



Agreed. Thank God that the people are waking up. Let's hope it isn't too late.
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Maybe they are waking up. A lot of people still are in the la la land of thinking we can balance the budget by cutting the other guy's government program, raising taxes on the other guy, or perhaps by cutting taxes and magically bringing in more revenue.

j-mac said:
Every other country doesn't have 330 million people to cover, with 47% paying nothing either. Every other country doesn't have the innovation that the US has in the medical field. Every other country? Hell Mass. Health care which Obama is trying to hang around Romney saying that he fashioned his HC after that, is FAILING quickly.

Changes? yes. A failed HC system? no thanks.
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We have a failed HC system now. Blaming it on the population of the country isn't going to help. Having a large percentage of the population not paying into it is one factor that needs to be addressed. The cost of everything from pills to surgery to X rays is the biggest factor that has to be addressed.

There is no free lunch, but there is a cheaper one. We can't afford the health care system we have much longer.


j-mac said:
They're going to have to. The agitprop that "green" energy is the only path is nonsense. The people won't stand for $8 per gallon.
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Agreed on the "green" energy.

The idea that we have enough easily recoverable oil to affect the world price is also nonsense. Exploiting our resources for a domestic only market is another idea that ignores global economics.


j-mac said:
What leases that have oil? Don't buy that hype, the Government has raked in millions off leases that either have nothing in them, or granting the leases then miring down the process through extensive regulation that makes it unprofitable. This meme about drilling going up and all, tell me, how is it a good thing that our own oil production is down? If drilling is up? Sounds to me like Obama is playing a shell game, and when this scam is revealed his head on a pike may not be enough.
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No, I think the oil companies are smarter than that. Pay for leases that don't have any oil? They know more about where the oil is than the government does, don't you think? The trick is to predict the price and to know which resources can be exploited profitably.



j-mac said:
Yet, through a signing statement, and his unelected regulatory bodies he is end running the congress at every turn he can. Try again.

j-mac
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I don't think so, but if you are correct that the president has the power to make laws and ignore congress, then our two century plus experiment in democracy is a failure.
 
ptif219 said:
Thanks to Bush policies and the military. Obama did little if anything
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What a tool. When Obama took office he doubled the effort to get Bin Laden. His number one concern was getting him. Bush was not concerned with Bin Laden and thought he was living in a cave for crying out loud. Bin Laden had ten years of life he shouldn't have had thanks to Junior. You nutjobs can try to give credit to Bush but he deserves none of it.
 
Dirty Harry said:
What a tool. When Obama took office he doubled the effort to get Bin Laden. His number one concern was getting him. Bush was not concerned with Bin Laden and thought he was living in a cave for crying out loud. Bin Laden had ten years of life he shouldn't have had thanks to Junior. You nutjobs can try to give credit to Bush but he deserves none of it.
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Where is the proof Obama did any of this?
 
ptif219 said:
Thanks to Bush policies and the military. Obama did little if anything
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Please explain to me how Bush's policies of focusing on a harmless nation that had nothin to do with OBL, and not being concerned with him, did anything to bring about bin Laden's death?
 
ptif219 said:
So where is the proof it was not a factor. Another words it could have happened this is more deception by the left.
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The proof is found in the absence of proof to the contrary. No one can say with any amount of certainty that waterboarding contributed to locating bin Laden and the article I posted highlighted all those involved with giving up information and none of them had been waterboarded.

Bush had 8 years to get OBL and failed. Obama got him in 2¼.
 
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gekaap said:
Please explain to me how Bush's policies of focusing on a harmless nation that had nothin to do with OBL, and not being concerned with him, did anything to bring about bin Laden's death?
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You have a narrow biased view of Bush
 
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