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Obama has so far been the opposite of just about everything he has claimed, other than working to drive of fuel costs and thus the cost of everything.
 
Councilman said:
Obama has so far been the opposite of just about everything he has claimed,
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Actually, it's more like he's been the opposite of just about everything his opponents have claimed about him.

He's never been as far left as his opponents claimed, or some of his supporters hoped.
 
Councilman said:
Obama has so far been the opposite of just about everything he has claimed, other than working to drive of fuel costs and thus the cost of everything.
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Yesterday =May 6, 2011=Crude Oil (CLM1) 97.18

Average for the year of 2008= $91.48


Average for the year of 2009= $53.48

Average for the year of 2010= $71.21


Now what were you saying about oil prices and Obama?

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Dittohead not! said:
Actually, it's more like he's been the opposite of just about everything his opponents have claimed about him.

He's never been as far left as his opponents claimed, or some of his supporters hoped.
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In your opinion. If he had his way we would be looking at universal health care. He has been a good left wing member and has grown the government while caring nothing about the middle class,unemployment, the economy or the huge debt he is creating.
 
donc said:
Yesterday =May 6, 2011=Crude Oil (CLM1) 97.18

Average for the year of 2008= $91.48


Average for the year of 2009= $53.48

Average for the year of 2010= $71.21


Now what were you saying about oil prices and Obama?

InflationData: Historical Oil Prices Table


Commodity Charts | Real Time Commodities Market Prices and Quotes Free
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The price of gas has doubled since Obama became president. I am right now in Gary Indiana which is basically Chicago and the price of gas is over 4 dollars a gallon

Gasoline up 100% under Obama - Washington Times
 
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your opinion.
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another opinion eh?


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if he had his way we would be looking at universal health care.
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We can only hope that this will lead eventually to universal healthcare. It would have be much better healthcare and more economical.:thumbs:

He has been a good left wing member and has grown the government while caring nothing about the middle class,unemployment, the economy or the huge debt he is creating.
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Hhmm...where has the government shown growth?Hopefully it will lead to more government banking regulations and cut out some of the **** that got us into the bush recession.

But that isn’t any more regulation then when Clinton or George the first was in office.
 
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donc said:
another opinion eh?


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We can only hope that this will lead eventually to universal healthcare. It would have be much better healthcare and more economical.:thumbs:



Hhmm...where has the government shown growth?Hopefully it will lead to more government banking regulations and cut out some of the **** that got us into the bush recession.

But that isn’t any more regulation then when Clinton or George the first was in office.
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So you support the socialist police state we are headed for under Obama?
 
ptif219 said:
The price of gas has doubled since Obama became president. I am right now in Gary Indiana which is basically Chicago and the price of gas is over 4 dollars a gallon

Gasoline up 100% under Obama - Washington Times
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You are an idiot if you blame Obama for gas prices. That is a fact.

Also, if you care about government growth, you should of hated Bush. Bush ushered in the biggest expansion in Executive power and growth in government.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Actually, it's more like he's been the opposite of just about everything his opponents have claimed about him.

He's never been as far left as his opponents claimed, or some of his supporters hoped.
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Sure he is, maybe even further left. He has just duped the easily led within his supporter grouping. In effect he is a liar, and you buy it lock, stock, and barrel.


j-mac
 
ptif219 said:
In your opinion. If he had his way we would be looking at universal health care. He has been a good left wing member and has grown the government while caring nothing about the middle class,unemployment, the economy or the huge debt he is creating.
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Do you think the government grew more under his administration than it did during the previous? Really?

We will eventually be looking at universal health care, or bankruptcy. We can't sustain our current system much longer.

Oh, and Obama still does not control the price of oil (that's from elsewhere in this thread, not the quote). If the price is high, it is not his fault. When it goes down, as it is now, that is not his credit. How much power do we attribute to the presidency, anyway?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Do you think the government grew more under his administration than it did during the previous? Really?
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I believe it did. However, that is not to say that both repubs, as well haven't been responsible for government creep.

We will eventually be looking at universal health care, or bankruptcy. We can't sustain our current system much longer.
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Having Sugar daddy government is not my idea in how to bring down costs of anything. Can you point to anything that the government does that actually comes in at, or under budget?

Oh, and Obama still does not control the price of oil
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The moment he steps out and announces that the US is going to aggressively persue its own resources, the price will speculate down even before we see a single drop. The crime here is that everyone knows that including demos and they still won't do anything to help the poor and working classes in reducing their costs in this arena. Shameful.

If the price is high, it is not his fault. When it goes down, as it is now, that is not his credit. How much power do we attribute to the presidency, anyway?
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The President has in his power to sign into law regulation, and policy that have strangled the oil, coal, and nat gas industries in this country. And he has. That is a direct effect, as much as you would like everyone to believe something else.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I believe it did.
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I'm not so sure.

j-mac said:
However, that is not to say that both repubs, as well haven't been responsible for government creep.
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Yes, both have been responsible for the out of control growth of government and resultant unsustainable spending.

j-mac said:
Having Sugar daddy government is not my idea in how to bring down costs of anything. Can you point to anything that the government does that actually comes in at, or under budget?
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Every other government sponsors a universal health care in one form or another, and all of them are less expensive than what we have. If we can't do it too, then it's time to make some radical changes to our government.

j-mac said:
The moment he steps out and announces that the US is going to aggressively persue its own resources, the price will speculate down even before we see a single drop. The crime here is that everyone knows that including demos and they still won't do anything to help the poor and working classes in reducing their costs in this arena. Shameful.
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By that, do you mean that the government is going to aggressively pursue our domestic resources?

What about all of the oil and gas leases that are just waiting? Why doesn't the private sector exploit them? (Hint: profitability of the resources and cost of extraction.)


j-mac said:
The President has in his power to sign into law regulation, and policy that have strangled the oil, coal, and nat gas industries in this country. And he has. That is a direct effect, as much as you would like everyone to believe something else.

j-mac
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All by himself?

No, the president of a Constitutional Republic with a capitalistic economic system simply doesn't have that kind of power.
 
ptif219 said:
Everything we know almost nothing about Obama. This is one of the most secretive presidents and he runs a very secretive and tight lipped administration.
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Of course, that's the way he should be. His military plans are top secret, and everything else he ventures to say is twisted by his opposition all out of proportion.

ricksfolly
 
Dittohead not! said:
Do you think the government grew more under his administration than it did during the previous? Really?

We will eventually be looking at universal health care, or bankruptcy. We can't sustain our current system much longer.

Oh, and Obama still does not control the price of oil (that's from elsewhere in this thread, not the quote). If the price is high, it is not his fault. When it goes down, as it is now, that is not his credit. How much power do we attribute to the presidency, anyway?
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How about the free enterprise system? Has that occurred to anyone in the Obama administration
 
Grant said:
How about the free enterprise system? Has that occurred to anyone in the Obama administration
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The free enterprise system... hmm... is that the same as capitalism? Why, now there's a novel idea. Let's try capitalism, since it has never been tried yet in this country. You may be on to something.

yes, folks, that was just more of that nasty old sarcasm. Nothing to see here, nothing to take seriously.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The free enterprise system... hmm... is that the same as capitalism? Why, now there's a novel idea. Let's try capitalism, since it has never been tried yet in this country. You may be on to something.

yes, folks, that was just more of that nasty old sarcasm. Nothing to see here, nothing to take seriously.
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Quite right! It was socialism that made America great.

Perhaps more of it will finally bring America the success its brought other countries. The government always spends money more wisely than the great unwashed can.
 
Councilman said:
Obama has so far been the opposite of just about everything he has claimed, other than working to drive of fuel costs and thus the cost of everything.
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One thing he did deliver on and did it well: Getting OBL:)
 
BDBoop said:
Oh, I know right!? Especially with this line. "My preference obviously would be to capture or kill him."
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Both Presidents expressed the same lines. Bush was criticized for using the phrase that Osama was 'wanted, dead or alive".

He also said "He can't run forever", and he was right.
 
Grant said:
And deserves credit.

But neither President Bush or President Obama wanted to magnify Osama's importance, and both downplayed the necessity of capturing or killing him.

Barack Obama: killing Osama bin Laden not essential - Telegraph
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Well Bush downplayed it to the point where he said he was not even concerned about him anymore. Thankfully our sitting POTUS was:)

I have been impressed with the way Bush handed this whole thing and like him a lot better out of office than in.;)
 
Kali said:
Well Bush downplayed it to the point where he said he was not even concerned about him anymore. Thankfully our sitting POTUS was:)

I have been impressed with the way Bush handed this whole thing and like him a lot better out of office than in.;)
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Both Presidents said they wanted to get him dead or alive and both later understandably downplayed his importance. We should understand that Presidents also address terrorists and their supporters when they are making these pronouncements and don't want to magnify the importance of their enemy. Thats why Churchill often referred to Hitler as 'the little corporal'. It's a strategy and should be recognized as such.
 
Grant said:
Both Presidents said they wanted to get him dead or alive and both later understandably downplayed his importance. We should understand that Presidents also address terrorists and their supporters when they are making these pronouncements and don't want to magnify the importance of their enemy. Thats why Churchill often referred to Hitler as 'the little corporal'. It's a strategy and should be recognized as such.
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Again Bush said he was not really worried about him while he was in office. This is a fact.
 
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