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Obama to speak on birth certificate

SheWolf said:
lol... well it's not a far fetched idea
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No it isn't a far fetched idea. It could be true. I lost my passport and had to replace it.

Did you find where 0bama says he lost the BC mentioned in his book? I haven't.

I only started looking into this issue about a month ago, before Trump's meltdown.

About 95% of the crap birthers have come up with has been soundly debunked.

I'm trying to stick with what is factual and trying to come up with a logical reason why 0bama would keep this going for so long. I really had no idea he was fighting court cases to prevent releasing his BC or that people are claiming his COLB and his BC are fake.

The COLB released to the DailyKos is the best resolution and there is no seal on it. Months later when FactCheck photographed it the seal is there. That's kind of strange don't you think?

My only conclusion, and it may be completely wrong, is that he's doing this for political reasons.
 
Ron Mars said:
Sigh.....



Sure would be dandy if you would look it up yourself instead of making baseless accusations.

Berg took his case to the SCOTUS. He's a certifiable crackpot.

Two other birther crackpots are still at it even though 0bama has finally released his BC.

Lawyers in court; unfazed by Obama's birth certificate | abc7.com
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Did you read the article? By "didn't provide" the author means he hasn't released it to the public/media.

"Officials in Hawaii say they have located President Obama's birth certificate indicating that he was born in the state, but have yet to produce the document at the heart of a long-simmering conspiracy theory."

I am well aware of Orly and her cases, however all of these have have been dismissed before even reaching a trial.

I was hoping you'd provide a case where Obama personally has spent 2 million dollars. The birthers cases you showed were all dismissed before serious legal representation is required, plus I'm pretty sure that the White House has a team of lawyers on retainer and as such I refuse to believe these cases cost anywhere near the figures your throwing out.

I'm still waiting for a reason as to why he would complicate this birth certificate nonsense, especially when it hasn't fooled anybody in the political scene.
 
Ron Mars said:
No it isn't a far fetched idea. It could be true. I lost my passport and had to replace it.

Did you find where 0bama says he lost the BC mentioned in his book? I haven't.

I only started looking into this issue about a month ago, before Trump's meltdown.

About 95% of the crap birthers have come up with has been soundly debunked.

I'm trying to stick with what is factual and trying to come up with a logical reason why 0bama would keep this going for so long. I really had no idea he was fighting court cases to prevent releasing his BC or that people are claiming his COLB and his BC are fake.

The COLB released to the DailyKos is the best resolution and there is no seal on it. Months later when FactCheck photographed it the seal is there. That's kind of strange don't you think?

My only conclusion, and it may be completely wrong, is that he's doing this for political reasons.
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Only 95%?

Of course, everything the president does is for political reasons. Did he start the birther nonsense? No. Did he keep it going? Probably not. The silly conspiracy theorists did that. Did the birther nonsense and subsequent release of the long demanded "long form" help him? Sure. It made his opponents look silly, even by extension the ones who didn't buy into the birtherism. Is the so called debate over his citizenship over? No, of course not. Now, the lunatic fringe is going to claim that the BC was a fake, thus making themselves look even sillier and detracting attention from the real issues.
 
megrimlock said:
I'm still waiting for a reason as to why he would complicate this birth certificate nonsense, especially when it hasn't fooled anybody in the political scene.
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Of course political implications.

Anyone looking into 0bama's past can be written off as a birther.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Only 95%?

Of course, everything the president does is for political reasons. Did he start the birther nonsense? No. Did he keep it going? Probably not. The silly conspiracy theorists did that. Did the birther nonsense and subsequent release of the long demanded "long form" help him? Sure. It made his opponents look silly, even by extension the ones who didn't buy into the birtherism. Is the so called debate over his citizenship over? No, of course not. Now, the lunatic fringe is going to claim that the BC was a fake, thus making themselves look even sillier and detracting attention from the real issues.
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Have you downloaded the COLB from DailyKos and looked at it? There is no seal.

Have you viewed the videos of people putting his BC in Adobe and watched stuff disappear? It's very strange.

I'm waiting for a credible organization not tied to birthers to do an analysis and make a judgement.

And yeah, about 95% is crap.
 
Ron Mars said:
Of course political implications.

Anyone looking into 0bama's past can be written off as a birther.
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Yeah, run the same campaign against Obama in 2012... America voted and America wrote those claims off.
 
Ron Mars said:
Have you downloaded the COLB from DailyKos and looked at it? There is no seal.

Have you viewed the videos of people putting his BC in Adobe and watched stuff disappear? It's very strange.

I'm waiting for a credible organization not tied to birthers to do an analysis and make a judgement.

And yeah, about 95% is crap.
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... but, but, you're not a birther. Then what are you? Because you're claiming his bc is fake, just like all the other birthers.
 
Ron Mars said:
No it isn't a far fetched idea. It could be true. I lost my passport and had to replace it.

Did you find where 0bama says he lost the BC mentioned in his book? I haven't.

I only started looking into this issue about a month ago, before Trump's meltdown.

About 95% of the crap birthers have come up with has been soundly debunked.

I'm trying to stick with what is factual and trying to come up with a logical reason why 0bama would keep this going for so long. I really had no idea he was fighting court cases to prevent releasing his BC or that people are claiming his COLB and his BC are fake.

The COLB released to the DailyKos is the best resolution and there is no seal on it. Months later when FactCheck photographed it the seal is there. That's kind of strange don't you think?

My only conclusion, and it may be completely wrong, is that he's doing this for political reasons.
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When was Obama's book published? His book wasn't about his birth certificate or about debunking birtherism.
 
SheWolf said:
Yeah, run the same campaign against Obama in 2012... America voted and America wrote those claims off.
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I know. Lefties spent more time looking into the background of Joe the plumber.

They don't care who is in the WH as long as there is a (D) after his name.
 
SheWolf said:
... but, but, you're not a birther. Then what are you? Because you're claiming his bc is fake, just like all the other birthers.
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I never claimed that his COLB or his BC are definately fake so stuff you BS SW.

There are things about both that don't make sense and need to be explained.

That doesn't make me a birther. But you lefties will believe what you want no matter what.
 
SheWolf said:
When was Obama's book published? His book wasn't about his birth certificate or about debunking birtherism.
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I'm well aware of that fact. He states he has a copy and yet asked HI to send a COLB. Why?
 
Ron Mars said:
I know. Lefties spent more time looking into the background of Joe the plumber.

They don't care who is in the WH as long as there is a (D) after his name.
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We are talking about Obama's bc... not the left. Why are you trying to bring up these distractions?

If you want to go all partisan, then why didn't the right place the same amount of scrutiny on McCain, Palin, or any other president before Obama?
 
Ron Mars said:
I never claimed that his COLB or his BC are definately fake so stuff you BS SW.

There are things about both that don't make sense and need to be explained.

That doesn't make me a birther. But you lefties will believe what you want no matter what.
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You're not blatantly claiming they are fake, but you show doubt that they are real... for example, bringing up the layers issue. Pick which side you're on, and stop trying to play both sides of the debate.
 
Ron Mars said:
Ahhh....... no.

Republicans actually want a candidate with some sort of experience.

Dems and lefties don't care.
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President of Harvard Law Review, Senator of Illinois. I'm from CA, can you remind me what experience Arnold Schwarzenegger had when it came to politics? I'm amazed at how you can paint all members of a party in such a strawman fashion while failing to admit that there are Republicans who are in the same boat.
 
SheWolf said:
We are talking about Obama's bc... not the left. Why are you trying to bring up these distractions?

If you want to go all partisan, then why didn't the right place the same amount of scrutiny on McCain, Palin, or any other president before Obama?
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They did. Where were you?

McCain had to answer the same questions because he was born in Panama. He produced his BC immediately.
 
Ron Mars said:
Ahhh....... no.

Republicans actually want a candidate with some sort of experience.

Dems and lefties don't care.
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Righties don't care either... they backed Palin, Angle, and the witch, and a lot of them like Trump too. :doh:
 
SheWolf said:
We are talking about Obama's bc... not the left. Why are you trying to bring up these distractions?

If you want to go all partisan, then why didn't the right place the same amount of scrutiny on McCain, Palin, or any other president before Obama?
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Palin was born in Russia, you know.


Or, at least in sight of Russia.
 
SheWolf said:
You're not blatantly claiming they are fake, but you show doubt that they are real... for example, bringing up the layers issue. Pick which side you're on, and stop trying to play both sides of the debate.
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I'm not picking a side. I have stated many times over I don't know the answers.

You posted an NR article and I accept that. Did you miss it?
 
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