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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You don't need to make them public either.
    College records are available upon request unless the person requests them sealed. Obama has sealed all records

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    How can he claim to be transparent in government when he hides all his records. This tells me he will run the government the same way and he has.

    Do you know his first act as president was to seal his presidential records?

    Obama’s FIRST Act as President was to SEAL his records H4CBlog
    Your source is a website that counts down the days to Armageddon. Try again please.
    You can't reason somebody out of something they were never reasoned into in the first place.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You can prove a negative, it's just more difficult. But if you don't believe that Obama was born here, he must've born elsewhere. That's a positive you can prove.
    You prove it it is a positve not a negative. I have not said he was not born here i just want to know why he has sealed his whole life's history.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    College records are available upon request unless the person requests them sealed. Obama has sealed all records
    You don't graduate summa cum laude from harvard by being a moron.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You prove it it is a positve not a negative. I have not said he was not born here i just want to know why he has sealed his whole life's history.
    Because, god forbid, he wants some personal privacy (which by the way is not the same as not having transparent government)?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You don't graduate summa cum laude from harvard by being a moron.
    Or lead Harvard's law review
    You can't reason somebody out of something they were never reasoned into in the first place.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, you're information is inaccurate. you're willing to believe anything, and ignore evidence to the contrary. He is not responsbile for the inability of others to reason.
    What records has he not sealed?
    Can you explain missing records

    Obama’s State Government Records Missing - Blogger News Network

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    honestly, i just want to hear the more prominent birfers stumble all over themselves trying to discredit this. after all, all we've heard is "why won't he release his real birth certificate?"

    well, he did.
    It's a fake. It has his father's race as African. Race wasn't depicted as African back in 1961. In 1961, his father's race would have been written as negro or black. Let's see if the ink is dry yet.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So you don't care he lies. The transparent President has become the most secretive in history
    Where did I imply that? On the whole birther issue? No, I don't care. I think there are far bigger issues to worry about then that.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    How can he claim to be transparent in government when he hides all his records. This tells me he will run the government the same way and he has.

    Do you know his first act as president was to seal his presidential records?

    Obama’s FIRST Act as President was to SEAL his records H4CBlog
    You're losing credibility by the minute. Obama's first executive order did the exact opposite of what you say it did:

    Obama's First Executive Order - What Obama's First Executive Order Really Said

    Executive orders are official documents, numbered consecutively, through which the president of the United States manages the operations of the federal government.

    Obama's first executive order merely rescinded an earlier executive order severely limiting public access to presidential records after they left office.

    That now-rescinded executive order, 13233, was signed by then-President George W. Bush on Nov. 1, 2001. It allowed former presidents and even family members to declare executive privilege and block public access to White House records for virtually any reason.
    The part in bold is the one you want to take a closer look instead of reading blogs. Do you understand what the verb 'to rescind' means?

    rescind [rɪˈsɪnd]
    vb
    (tr) to annul or repeal
    [from Latin rēscindere to cut off, from re- (intensive) + scindere to cut]
    rescindable adj
    rescinder n
    rescindment n
    If you read the full executive order here is what it says:

    Executive Order 13489 of January 21, 2009

    Presidential Records


    By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to establish policies and procedures governing the assertion of executive privilege by incumbent and former Presidents in connection with the release of Presidential records by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) pursuant to the Presidential Records Act of 1978, it is hereby ordered as follows:


    Section 1. Definitions.

    For purposes of this order:

    (a) "Archivist" refers to the Archivist of the United States or his designee.
    (b) "NARA" refers to the National Archives and Records Administration.
    (c) "Presidential Records Act" refers to the Presidential Records Act, 44 U.S.C. 2201-2207.
    (d) "NARA regulations" refers to the NARA regulations implementing the Presidential Records Act, 36 C.F.R. Part 1270.
    (e) "Presidential records" refers to those documentary materials maintained by NARA pursuant to the Presidential Records Act, including Vice Presidential records.
    (f) "Former President" refers to the former President during whose term or terms of office particular Presidential records were created.
    (g) A "substantial question of executive privilege" exists if NARA's disclosure of Presidential records might impair national security (including the conduct of foreign relations), law enforcement, or the deliberative processes of the executive branch.
    (h) A "final court order" is a court order from which no appeal may be taken.


    Sec. 2. Notice of Intent to Disclose Presidential Records.
    (a) When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines provided by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege. However, nothing in this order is intended to affect the right of the incumbent or former Presidents to invoke executive privilege with respect to materials not identified by the Archivist. Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the former President or his designated representative.
    (b) Upon the passage of 30 days after receipt by the incumbent and former Presidents of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Archivist may disclose the records covered by the notice, unless during that time period the Archivist has received a claim of executive privilege by the incumbent or former President or the Archivist has been instructed by the incumbent President or his designee to extend the time period for a time certain and with reason for the extension of time provided in the notice. If a shorter period of time is required under the circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist shall so indicate in the notice.


    Sec. 3. Claim of Executive Privilege by Incumbent President.
    (a) Upon receipt of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Attorney General (directly or through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel) and the Counsel to the President shall review as they deem appropriate the records covered by the notice and consult with each other, the Archivist, and such other executive agencies as they deem appropriate concerning whether invocation of executive privilege is justified.
    (b) The Attorney General and the Counsel to the President, in the exercise of their discretion and after appropriate review and consultation under subsection (a) of this section, may jointly determine that invocation of executive privilege is not justified. The Archivist shall be notified promptly of any such determination.
    (c) If either the Attorney General or the Counsel to the President believes that the circumstances justify invocation of executive privilege, the issue shall be presented to the President by the Counsel to the President and the Attorney General.
    (d) If the President decides to invoke executive privilege, the Counsel to the President shall notify the former President, the Archivist, and the Attorney General in writing of the claim of privilege and the specific Presidential records to which it relates. After receiving such notice, the Archivist shall not disclose the privileged records unless directed to do so by an incumbent President or by a final court order.


    Sec. 4. Claim of Executive Privilege by Former President.
    (a) Upon receipt of a claim of executive privilege by a living former President, the Archivist shall consult with the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel), the Counsel to the President, and such other executive agencies as the Archivist deems appropriate concerning the Archivist's determination as to whether to honor the former President's claim of privilege or instead to disclose the Presidential records notwithstanding the claim of privilege. Any determination under section 3 of this order that executive privilege shall not be invoked by the incumbent President shall not prejudice the Archivist's determination with respect to the former President's claim of privilege.
    (b) In making the determination referred to in subsection (a) of this section, the Archivist shall abide by any instructions given him by the incumbent President or his designee unless otherwise directed by a final court order. The Archivist shall notify the incumbent and former Presidents of his determination at least 30 days prior to disclosure of the Presidential records, unless a shorter time period is required in the circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations. Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the former President or his designated representative.


    Sec. 5. General Provisions.
    (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
    (i) authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head thereof; or
    (ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budget, administrative, or legislative proposals.
    (b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
    (c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

    The order makes it harder for former presidents and Obama himself to claim executive priviledge.
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