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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It didn't "just" become an issue...it's been around forever. What changed was Donald Trump getting hold of it. Suddenly it wasn't just birthers or birfers or any other derogatory name one wants to plant on the people raising questions. Suddenly. It was mainstream. Again I'll say it -- either he should have released it at the very beginning of the Long Form controversy, or he should have never released it.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It didn't "just" become an issue...it's been around forever. What changed was Donald Trump getting hold of it. Suddenly it wasn't just birthers or birfers or any other derogatory name one wants to plant on the people raising questions. Suddenly. It was mainstream. Again I'll say it -- either he should have released it at the very beginning of the Long Form controversy, or he should have never released it.
    Not sure Trump is mainstream. Isn't he just another birther? Playing to birthers? There never was an issue, and there still isn't.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    kinda looking for a response to the questions i asked......
    People were discussing the "birther" issue before the election. Jerome Corsi's book came out before the election (months before) and discusses the issue of Obama's legitimacy to run. I'm betting that McCain and Clinton's lag in the polls led to their lack of desire to pursue the issue. If they wasted too many resources on it then it would likely deter any gains they were hoping to get through other campaign avenues.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    oh sorry my bad
    no problem...if i was running against him, either in the dem primary or the general, and i had this info, i would have been screaming it from the mountain tops....anyone here going to tell me that both sides don't have people digging for dirt on the other party? seriously? and if there was proof, why wasnt it found before the general election?

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure Trump is mainstream. Isn't he just another birther? Playing to birthers? There never was an issue, and there still isn't.
    See, that's the thing. YOU say there never was an issue...that there still isn't an issue. Yet the most powerful man in the world knuckled under to what amounts to gossip and released exactly what they were looking for -- the long form. If there wasn't an issue, then ask yourself why the President of the United States is responding to gossip. Will he come out next to assure us he's not racist? (Judging by this thread, that just might be his next move. )

    Trump wasn't playing to birthers. He raised a legitimate question. "Why won't he release his long form birth certificate?" And way too many people were suddenly sayin', "Yeah!! Why not??"
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    OMFG for the love of GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY......


    I am not blaming him, what he offered was proof in my book, however there was this other form, and folks were demanding it, by saying nuh uh, he fanned these idiots flames.
    How is this not blaming?:

    3. By him not showing this "long form" or whatever, he allowed the question to remain in the spotlight. right or wrong, it fanned these flames.

    The short form is what he provided. That should have been the end of it. It was not his problem that morons did not accept it. I think finally Obama had enough, and went through the trouble of getting the long form in hope the insanity would stop.

    You seem to be classic passive-aggressive here, Rev. First, you call him a bitch because he gave in. Now, it's his fault because he waited too long. What is it, you are all over the place.
    Crap, there is a lot to criticize Obama over, this is not one of them.

    He could have played this to a great advantage but trump trumped him by forcing his hand.
    Really? I see it as Trump looking more like a first class maroon more than anything (and to think that was possible!). Pot-a-to, pot-ah-to.
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    Pacers got destroyed. Better not piss Hugh off.
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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    How is this not blaming?:

    3. By him not showing this "long form" or whatever, he allowed the question to remain in the spotlight. right or wrong, it fanned these flames.

    The short form is what he provided. That should have been the end of it. It was not his problem that morons did not accept it. I think finally Obama had enough, and went through the trouble of getting the long form in hope the insanity would stop.

    You seem to be classic passive-aggressive here, Rev. First, you call him a bitch because he gave in. Now, it's his fault because he waited too long. What is it, you are all over the place.
    Crap, there is a lot to criticize Obama over, this is not one of them.
    Read on, I modifed my position later in the thread.


    He held onto the controversy by not releasing this long form. The birthers are morons, this was moron bait. the only thing is, trump forced his hand.




    Really? I see it as Trump looking more like a first class maroon more than anything (and to think that was possible!). Pot-a-to, pot-ah-to.


    more like? he's always been. the left wing populist is a media whore.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    no problem...if i was running against him, either in the dem primary or the general, and i had this info, i would have been screaming it from the mountain tops....anyone here going to tell me that both sides don't have people digging for dirt on the other party? seriously? and if there was proof, why wasnt it found before the general election?
    because the future birthers didn't think he could win....
    they thought the rich old white man had the usual lock on the position.
    They got pissed when Obama won, and can't get over it....
    I guess they think that somehow the election can be undone.
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