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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Hmm.. do you suppose they keep those old documents in their original form, or are they scanned and kept electronically? I don't know the answer to that, but it would explain the "discrepancies" that the "experts' have found.

    Rather than fake a long form BC, why wouldn't Obama continue to allow the birthers to make themselves look silly by claiming that he was born in Kenya? That makes no sense at all.
    Well, to my knowledge, the original is converted to a microfilm, which was then printed as usual, scanned in and the PDF file was presented allegedly "as is" but run through OCR software.

    There are MANY different points on the document which are anomalous to this sequence of events...

    All that I'm saying is that this document is a manipulation of that original... if you seriously want to dispute that I'll go over all the different points and explanation, but it might as well be called a fact.

    The REASONS for that could be anything... at the most innocent as a way to guarantee that this file could not be used so that others will try to steal his identity (foolish as that prospect would be on it's own), to a simple distraction from political troubles, OR at it's worst an attempt to politically discredit the GOP (with Trump the closet liberal claiming to run as a republican only to "force Obama" to release that document)

    Even to say that this is a result of 'layering' is somewhat of a joke because scanners work in such a way that it's a 'what you see is what you get', and character recognition software is not THAT sophisticated yet, in the sense that it works, but has limitations.

    The best part is that the document is still there untouched on the whitehouse website, so when you doubt me, then you can look for yourself.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

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    *applause* way to dodge the issue...

    As I said, if you'd like to go over the actual document, we can... if not we can continue to make jokes of this blatant fraud (which MAY have been performed with a legitimate intention, that being the secondary debate)

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    *applause* way to dodge the issue...

    As I said, if you'd like to go over the actual document, we can... if not we can continue to make jokes of this blatant fraud(which MAY have been performed with a legitimate intention, that being the secondary debate)
    Wow.

    You have 0 credibility on this issue, all you have posted is hack youtube vidoes and blatantly bias sources that are by no means experts.

    You yourself are not a forged document expert and that's been established multiple times by multiple people.

    Everything to you is a conspiracy, you're a truther, birther and deather all at the same time, and that's far too much conspiracy for one person to handle effectively without giving away that they simply just love conspiracy theories and enjoy propogating them.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    What's going on here? Who let Mcfly out of CT section?


    Nothing to see here, folks... move along.



    Let's note about the thread, though: "666 Likes". The rapture begins.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Wow.

    You have 0 credibility on this issue, all you have posted is hack youtube vidoes and blatantly bias sources that are by no means experts.
    No... what I did at first was I sourced the documents, the first dozen people (1-2 actual graphics people) that were pointing out a few things that were wrong... THEN I posted screenshot segments of this document and asking for a LEGITIMATE explanation for these effects... but then MORE AND MORE digital artifacts PROVING that what Obama presented COULD NOT have been created in 1960 started getting pointed out, several MSM articles have now been written by real experts in the area...

    The most recent of these was pointing out that much of the text used "kerning" which is NOT POSSIBLE for a typewriter to do...

    Now, as I said, I can detail this issue... which has NEVER been addressed in any legitimate way...

    "Oh that's this" or "oh that's that" have been offered as justification, but no, that's simply not the case...

    And I don't NEED any credibility... had the debunkers actually OPENED the friggin document to see for themselves then they would be asking Obama "wtf man, we can't defend this crap."

    You yourself are not a forged document expert and that's been established multiple times by multiple people.
    Yes and even the graphics experts are not experts... anything to avoid looking at the document. So, the stronger you attempt the ad hom argument the MORE you bring my focus to the document itself... but I'm not interested in discussion with someone that won't look at facts yet has all the answers.

    Everything to you is a conspiracy, you're a truther, birther and deather all at the same time, and that's far too much conspiracy for one person to handle effectively without giving away that they simply just love conspiracy theories and enjoy propogating them.
    Not quite...
    - 9-11 truth : when the official version is a story that involves necessary violations of laws of physics to make sense... how can you so easily buy into that story?? Oh wait, you never read the documents did you??
    - birther issue : This new BC document MADE me a "birther"... prior to that I had a few questions like "why would Obama WANT to allow this to remain an issue?", but I never jumped on the "he's born in Kenya"... I don't know, I wasn't there... but now Obama IS married to this document which is a manifest fake. (AND IT DOES NOT TAKE expertise to point out the majority of this... the "kerning" was brought up by a graphics expert and I'm just repeating it)

    - Deather : Osama's been reported dead since 2002 MULTIPLE times from MULTIPLE sources... he was also reportedly a very sick man even back in 2001 where he allegedly had full renal failure, something which I'm led to believe will give someone a 5 year life expectancy as a best case... but most importantly I'm just asking the question "How can you dismiss all the previous deaths of bin laden and accept this ever changing tale of OBL's death instead??" WHAT EVIDENCE was INDEPENDENTLY reviewed?? Oh wait, NOBODY outside a US government official ACTUALLY verified this as OBL??

    So, sir, no offense there, but you are calling facts, documents and questions "theories" JUST to be able to maintain your position, and your position DEPENDS on the fallacious arguments involving attacking the PEOPLE as opposed to the facts... classic ad hom argument. When the reality is that if your position was so strong you could actually look at the documents for yourself and come to your own conclusion.

    Finally, I'm not talking about any "conspiracy" involving the how, when or where this document was modified... and since many buy into this forgery we can then assume that this was most likely a case of fraud against the american people, but I'm not even saying that is CONCLUSIVE... what IS conclusive is that whatever they pulled from the hawaiian records and posted on the white house website is a document that HAS undergone some modification in between. (with the subtext that Obama IS born in Hawaii, btw)

    This can be shown WITHOUT the types of expert document analysis that would be required of a QUALITY forgery... this is literally someone that was too lazy to cover their tracks, and / or so filled with disdain for the american people that whoever was involved probably believed the american people to be SO STUPID that they could be sold a lie with ease.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What's going on here? Who let Mcfly out of CT section?


    Nothing to see here, folks... move along.



    Let's note about the thread, though: "666 Likes". The rapture begins.
    To you too.... I'm not talking about any "conspiracies" I'm trying to find someone who can DEFEND THE DOCUMENT!!!!

    I don't care how it got that way, who did it, when it was done.... I don't care about that, if someone can actually defend this DOCUMENT that would shut me up on this one...

    BUT if any of you actually LOOK CLOSELY at the document and turn on the part of your brain involved in analysis, then you can prove to me how I'm wrong (along with multiple experts, with more coming out weekly), until then I'm just making the blanket claim that it's a fraud that nobody can defend, and leaving the open challenge if someone would like to step up, shut me up and show me otherwise.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Oh cool! I just discovered that if a birther types long enough, I literally get nauseated.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Oh cool! I just discovered that if a birther types long enough, I literally get nauseated.
    Aww someone else that attacks from a position of ignorance... how long did you spend looking at his birth certificate and forming your own opinion on the matter?

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman
    Everything to you is a conspiracy, you're a truther, birther and deather all at the same time...
    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Not quite...

    *6 paragraphs spouting truther, birther, deather nonsense*
    lol. Unreal.
    Disclaimer: If you are offended by the above post, and you aren't a SJW or truther, grow a pair.

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