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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Not so much... he "forced" Obama's hand into releasing this pathetically fraudulent birth certificate.

    It's too bad that people just take the word of Fox, CNN and friends that "experts agree it's legit"... well, those people didn't try to hard, as an amateur I was able to spot problems, and still MORE experts (on top of the dozens that came out days after this release) are coming out and pointing out the various ways that PROVE that this document was created from MULTIPLE legitimate birth certificates.

    Without speculating who, how, why or when... it's simple and verifiable fact that the document presented was AT THE LEAST NOT a valid birth certificate and at worst is a deliberate case for fraud against the american people.
    And that just goes to show no matter what document the President presents as per the Constitution (Art 4, Sect 1) or Hawaii state law that supports his U.S. and, thus, his natural-born citizenship status per said Constitution (Art 2, Sect 1, clause 4), some people will always find reason not to believe the truth.

    The birther conspiracy lives on...(so stupid : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    And that just goes to show no matter what document the President presents as per the Constitution (Art 4, Sect 1) or Hawaii state law that supports his U.S. and, thus, his natural-born citizenship status per said Constitution (Art 2, Sect 1, clause 4), some people will always find reason not to believe the truth.

    The birther conspiracy lives on...(so stupid : )
    No, I said nothing about his birthplace, just that what was passed off as his new BC has about 50 reasons why it's faked / manipulated / forged / not created through the process that was described.

    Do you actually want to address the issues wrong with this document? Or is this going to be another exercise in futility attempting to get you to look at the document and the sections that PROVE that this document CANNOT be simply the result of a scan of a document and OCR software???

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    If someone dug up a placenta in Hawaii, did DNA testing, and proved that the chances that it was not the very placenta that was cut from baby Barack back in '64 was a trillion to one, then would the absurd "birther" nonsense die?

    No, I suppose not, There still would be that one chance in a trillion.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    It is comical how far offsides the left continues to be drawn by this stuff. LOL

    It's even funnier that the left actually thought conservatives would support a nutcase and closet lefty like Donald Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If someone dug up a placenta in Hawaii, did DNA testing, and proved that the chances that it was not the very placenta that was cut from baby Barack back in '64 was a trillion to one, then would the absurd "birther" nonsense die?

    No, I suppose not, There still would be that one chance in a trillion.
    Ok, let's agree for the sake of argument that Obama WAS born in Hawaii.

    The most recently released document is a fake document that's been confirmed by numerous graphics experts, even debunking the debunkers claiming that 'layering' is normal with scanned documents.

    So, this is not an issue of where Obama was born any longer, but rather an issue of fraud against the American people.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Ok, let's agree for the sake of argument that Obama WAS born in Hawaii.

    The most recently released document is a fake document that's been confirmed by numerous graphics experts, even debunking the debunkers claiming that 'layering' is normal with scanned documents.

    So, this is not an issue of where Obama was born any longer, but rather an issue of fraud against the American people.
    To what end?? Seriously. I never in my entire life thought there was a snowball's chance in hell a black man would get elected to the highest office in the land. Or was that all fraud too, in your world. He wasn't actually elected, either. Right?

    Don't you THINK that if all this were true, the GOP would be getting him impeached?

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    To what end??
    If I had to speculate; a distraction.

    Seriously. I never in my entire life thought there was a snowball's chance in hell a black man would get elected to the highest office in the land. Or was that all fraud too, in your world. He wasn't actually elected, either. Right?
    LOL, no, unlike Bush, Obama had a cult of personality thing going on and he managed to get a landslide victory.

    SO MANY PEOPLE even decided to give Obama a chance merely on the basis that they were fed up with the Republicans and Bush and joined in Obama's "hope / change" platform.

    The major banks supported Obama 4:1 over McCain... that was announced about 1-2 months prior to the election and that was actually the point where I predicted Obama to win (not that it was all that hard with the way he was portrayed, almost as though he was the second coming).


    Don't you THINK that if all this were true, the GOP would be getting him impeached?
    First off, it IS true... If you'd like to get into the details we can so you can see for yourself what's going on, and how easy it is to determine how the new BC is a fabricated document.

    Second, I don't get WHY the GOP would want to fight on this issue?? The whole group (with very few exceptions) are a bunch of chicken-hawk people pleasers.They are in bed with the same "special interests" that the democrats are in bed with, and it's those special interests that have a greater influence over political moves then anything the people say or do. The democrats on the same token are a bunch of hippie impersonating limousine liberals that WANT to use things like racial issues to accomplish their own agenda's.

    I don't see ANYONE in politics that has any REAL backbone, especially the type of marbles that would be needed to start that kind of battle... especially now that people have been so thoroughly programmed that asking questions and using critical analysis is "kooky" or "crazy" or "fringe" (there are documents that go the step further and say that if you can form a political thought that you are probably a TERRORIST, but that's another thread).

    I'll repeat again though, this is without discussing HOW, WHY or WHEN this document has been manipulated, I'm really just getting the point across that it HAS been manipulated, and I'm willing to debate the issue with anyone, because it's so easy to spot (especially having read experts opinions pointing out the 'questionable' areas, and why they are questionable...)

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    If I had to speculate; a distraction.



    LOL, no, unlike Bush, Obama had a cult of personality thing going on and he managed to get a landslide victory.

    SO MANY PEOPLE even decided to give Obama a chance merely on the basis that they were fed up with the Republicans and Bush and joined in Obama's "hope / change" platform.

    The major banks supported Obama 4:1 over McCain... that was announced about 1-2 months prior to the election and that was actually the point where I predicted Obama to win (not that it was all that hard with the way he was portrayed, almost as though he was the second coming).




    First off, it IS true... If you'd like to get into the details we can so you can see for yourself what's going on, and how easy it is to determine how the new BC is a fabricated document.

    Second, I don't get WHY the GOP would want to fight on this issue?? The whole group (with very few exceptions) are a bunch of chicken-hawk people pleasers.They are in bed with the same "special interests" that the democrats are in bed with, and it's those special interests that have a greater influence over political moves then anything the people say or do. The democrats on the same token are a bunch of hippie impersonating limousine liberals that WANT to use things like racial issues to accomplish their own agenda's.

    I don't see ANYONE in politics that has any REAL backbone, especially the type of marbles that would be needed to start that kind of battle... especially now that people have been so thoroughly programmed that asking questions and using critical analysis is "kooky" or "crazy" or "fringe" (there are documents that go the step further and say that if you can form a political thought that you are probably a TERRORIST, but that's another thread).

    I'll repeat again though, this is without discussing HOW, WHY or WHEN this document has been manipulated, I'm really just getting the point across that it HAS been manipulated, and I'm willing to debate the issue with anyone, because it's so easy to spot (especially having read experts opinions pointing out the 'questionable' areas, and why they are questionable...)
    You don't know how, when, or why it was manipulated, but you know it has to have been as it counters your unsupported opinion.

    Now I understand where you're coming from.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You don't know how, when, or why it was manipulated, but you know it has to have been as it counters your unsupported opinion.

    Now I understand where you're coming from.
    No, because I can only speculate on those... but the fact that Obama now has settled on his actual birth certificate... to go into what is wrong :
    - "kerning" appears in areas of the document (NOT possible with a 1963 typewriter), this is the effect where each letter takes up it's own space... on Obama's BC there's the computer effect of having letters encroaching on the space of other letters in key areas.
    - numbers that haven't been "upgraded through OCR" have a 'digital zoom' effect (chromatic aberrations... the effect created from digitally zooming)
    - OCR does not modify signatures in anyway, yet the OCR software somehow managed to "enhance" Obama's mothers signature.
    - The date stamp (except in the signature area) is actually a linked graphic object (IE : scanned in, although the final 1 in those dates seems 'original', according to anyone that's seriously looked at the thing)

    So, you tell me : Was this modified legitimately (ie : to prevent fraud against Obama)? Or was this fraudulently (Obama perpetrating fraud against the people)?

    That's debatable, but what is not debatable is that this document that was presented is NOT original as it was created in 1963.

    If you really want we can get into all the minute details... but I'm not going to waste my time sourcing it again if it just gets dismissed out of hand.

    I had no idea of the jargon, and am not an expert, but this is what experts have been pointing out.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    No, because I can only speculate on those... but the fact that Obama now has settled on his actual birth certificate... to go into what is wrong :
    - "kerning" appears in areas of the document (NOT possible with a 1963 typewriter), this is the effect where each letter takes up it's own space... on Obama's BC there's the computer effect of having letters encroaching on the space of other letters in key areas.
    - numbers that haven't been "upgraded through OCR" have a 'digital zoom' effect (chromatic aberrations... the effect created from digitally zooming)
    - OCR does not modify signatures in anyway, yet the OCR software somehow managed to "enhance" Obama's mothers signature.
    - The date stamp (except in the signature area) is actually a linked graphic object (IE : scanned in, although the final 1 in those dates seems 'original', according to anyone that's seriously looked at the thing)

    So, you tell me : Was this modified legitimately (ie : to prevent fraud against Obama)? Or was this fraudulently (Obama perpetrating fraud against the people)?

    That's debatable, but what is not debatable is that this document that was presented is NOT original as it was created in 1963.

    If you really want we can get into all the minute details... but I'm not going to waste my time sourcing it again if it just gets dismissed out of hand.

    I had no idea of the jargon, and am not an expert, but this is what experts have been pointing out.
    Hmm.. do you suppose they keep those old documents in their original form, or are they scanned and kept electronically? I don't know the answer to that, but it would explain the "discrepancies" that the "experts' have found.

    Rather than fake a long form BC, why wouldn't Obama continue to allow the birthers to make themselves look silly by claiming that he was born in Kenya? That makes no sense at all.
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