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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post

    His administration wanted FEMA there before the hurricane hit; however, the mayor and gov did not want the feds in on their authority and resisted until things got out of hand. The (liberal) city and state execs decided when FEMA arrived.
    Ummm, nice talking point, but no, the governor, knowing how big the looming disaster would be as Katrina was upgraded to a level 5, requested assistance before the Hurricane even reached land...

    August 27, 2005

    Pursuant to 44 CFR 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal.

    Louisiana Governor's Office - Kathleen Babineaux Blanco

    Bush responded to that by putting measures into place, specifically to the point, FEMA was authorized by Bush to provide aid to Louisiana ... that aid took almost a week to arrive.

    You must think "Heckovajob" Brownie was fired because of the Liberal Media.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post

    My mistake, I thought I was on a debate site. Enjoy your partisan ranting. If anyone would like to prove to me that somehow George Bush wasn't President in 2004, when the beginning of this string of intelligence began to occur, they are more than welcome to do so.
    Being president isn't enough -- one has to be an effective president. Bush was incapable of capturing OBL, even when he had him cornered in Tora Bora. Osama bin Laden would still be alive today if Bush were still president. That's the credit Bush deserves.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    You are the most ignorant member here. Debating you is like debating a first grader.
    Bad information, misinformation, lies and false leads are worse than no information at all. Bush's policies wasted resources and time and gave Bib laden years of extra life. Sorry, but that's the fact.
    Maybe you should go back to the birther issue. You sound just as ignorant talking about that.

    Here is another bush bashing site that tells the truth:
    Ex-Interrogator: Torture Doesn't Work
    I post that Panetta said so. You do know he is Obama's head of the CIA? What more can I say. You will never give Bush credit and you will be happy to hear Obama take credit for what the military did.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If Rep. King said it, then it must be true. Who ever heard of a Congressman actually bending the truth? And then there was his details.. what? No details? No backup? Just an unsupported statement? But he's a congressman. If you can't trust a congressman to always know and tell the truth, who can you trust?
    I also posted Panetta said it.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Ummm, yeah ... this is the information the CIA gathered from KSM ...

    1) The courier's fake name, "Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti"

    2) And the lie that the courier was "retired."

    Waterboarding did not help capture OBL. The valuable information came from detainees who were not tortured:

    The claim

    Torture interrogation techniques including waterboarding was key to finding the location of Osama bin Laden.

    The background
    After President Obama announced the killing of Osama bin Laden, U.S. Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, tweeted, "Wonder what President Obama thinks of waterboarding now?"

    Rep. Peter King, R-NY, said, "Osama bin Laden would not have been captured and killed if it were not for the initial information we got from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed after he was waterboarded."

    So what led U.S. forces to find bin Laden's Pakistan compound? The reported key was identifying the courier who transported the terrorist leader's messages. The only clue in 2002 and 2003 was the man's fake name: Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti.

    In 2003, the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was captured, held at secret CIA prisons and waterboarded 183 times.

    Waterboarding involves water being poured over the mouth and nose of a restrained prisoner, creating the sensation of drowning. It can cause extreme pain; damage to the lungs and brain; other injuries, including broken bones from struggling against restraints; and psychological damage.

    Months after his waterboarding ended -- according to New York Times and Associated Press reports -- Mohammed was asked about the courier. He said he knew little but that the courier was "retired."

    Fact Check: No evidence presented waterboarding helped find bin Laden | Reno Gazette-Journal | rgj.com
    Post 1858 I showed a link that Panetta Obama's CIA chief also said it.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I post that Panetta said so. You do know he is Obama's head of the CIA? What more can I say. You will never give Bush credit and you will be happy to hear Obama take credit for what the military did.
    Greg Sargent has obtained a letter sent from CIA Director Leon Panetta to Sen. John McCain, reiterating that the path to bin Laden did not begin with the torture of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

    Here are the operative three paragraphs from the letter, which represents a response from Panetta to McCain’s earler request for information about torture and Bin Laden’s death:

    Nearly 10 years of intensive intelligence work led the CIA to conclude that Bin Ladin was likely hiding at the compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. there was no one “essential and indispensible” key piece of information that led us to this conclusion. Rather, the intelligence picture was developed via painstaking collection and analysis. Multiple streams of intelligence — including from detainees, but also from multiple other sources — led CIA analysts to conclude that Bin Ladin was at this compound.
    Some of the detainees who provided useful information about the facilitator/courier’s role had been subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques. Whether those techniques were the “only timely and effective way” to obtain such information is a matter of debate and cannot be established definitively
    . What is definitive is that that information was only a part of multiple streams of intelligence that led us to Bin Ladin.

    Let me further point out that we first learned about the facilitator/courier’s nom de guerre from a detainee not in CIA custody in 2002. It is also important to note that some detainees who were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques attempted to provide false or misleading information about the facilitator/courier.
    These attempts to falsify the facilitator/courier’s role were alerting.

    In the end, no detainee in CIA custody revealed the facilitator/courier’s full true name or specific whereabouts. This information was discovered through other intelligence means.

    Emphasis mine. Panetta’s account contradicts Mukasey’s claim that the trail to Bin Laden “began” with disclosures from Khalid Sheikh Muhammed that were achieved through the “pressure" of torture.

    Panetta’s account also represents public, on-the-record confirmation from the CIA of — and adds new detail to — a careful and thorough investigation by Scott Shane and Charlie Savage of the New York Times, which was based on anonymous sources and concluded that torture “played a small role at most in identifying Bin Laden’s trusted courier and exposing his hide-out.” Shane and Savage also quoted unnamed sources claiming torture resulted in bad information — also confirmed in Panetta’s letter.
    .........................

    Information was obtained from detainees. Some of them were tortured. Does not mean the information was obtained by torture. Bush's policies wasted a lot of time andt Bin laden was thankful for that.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
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    Information was obtained from detainees. Some of them were tortured. Does not mean the information was obtained by torture. Bush's policies wasted a lot of time andt Bin laden was thankful for that.


    I so believe the Times. Nice try but Panetta said it on NBC. Where has Panetta publicly said that was a misstatement?

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    okay, birfers, here ya go. now shut the **** up.

    Obama to speak on birth certificate - Politics - White House - msnbc.com
    ROTFLOL... was fun while it lasted, the "is Trump going to run?" thing. To think a private citizen got Obama to finally prove he is a citizen...ROTFLOL. He might have won the nomination, but at a minimum would have beaten Obama like a drum during debates and his campaign.

    Would love to see Obama and Trump debate though. A theorist of the failed school of goop vs. a guy in the trenches of Capitalism. Wonder who'd win? Not.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    ROTFLOL... was fun while it lasted, the "is Trump going to run?" thing. To think a private citizen got Obama to finally prove he is a citizen...ROTFLOL. He might have won the nomination, but at a minimum would have beaten Obama like a drum during debates and his campaign.

    Would love to see Obama and Trump debate though. A theorist of the failed school of goop vs. a guy in the trenches of Capitalism. Wonder who'd win? Not.

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    Keep trying to beat that drum....the reality is the Trump was made to look like a fool and went from a front runner to a complete and utter joke in a week's time. Probably a record that will remain for quite some time...don't even think Newt is going to beat that record...but he's trying awfully hard.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Keep trying to beat that drum....the reality is the Trump was made to look like a fool and went from a front runner to a complete and utter joke in a week's time. Probably a record that will remain for quite some time...don't even think Newt is going to beat that record...but he's trying awfully hard.
    Not so much... he "forced" Obama's hand into releasing this pathetically fraudulent birth certificate.

    It's too bad that people just take the word of Fox, CNN and friends that "experts agree it's legit"... well, those people didn't try to hard, as an amateur I was able to spot problems, and still MORE experts (on top of the dozens that came out days after this release) are coming out and pointing out the various ways that PROVE that this document was created from MULTIPLE legitimate birth certificates.

    Without speculating who, how, why or when... it's simple and verifiable fact that the document presented was AT THE LEAST NOT a valid birth certificate and at worst is a deliberate case for fraud against the american people.

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