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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Riiiight ... Bush, the shmuck who couldn't capture bin Laden when he had him cornered in Tora Bora ... the putz who couldn't find the WMD he invaded Iraq over ... the yutz who couldn't eat a pretzel without passing out. Please, if Bush were still president, Osama bin Laden would still be alive.
    So rather than have an intelligent, reasoned conversation about this you want to act like a 3rd grader on a school yard throwing out insults like "putz and yutz".

    My mistake, I thought I was on a debate site. Enjoy your partisan ranting. If anyone would like to prove to me that somehow George Bush wasn't President in 2004, when the beginning of this string of intelligence began to occur, they are more than welcome to do so.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    It does for those of us who recognize that none of that was "hypothetical." It's meant to highlight what a bumbling idiot Bush was as president. He couldn't catch OBL if OBL surrendered himself at the White House. It took a week under his administration to get FEMA out to New Orleans following one of the worst natural disasters to befall America in modern times.
    His administration wanted FEMA there before the hurricane hit; however, the mayor and gov did not want the feds in on their authority and resisted until things got out of hand. The (liberal) city and state execs decided when FEMA arrived.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    It does for those of us who recognize that none of that was "hypothetical."It's meant to highlight what a bumbling idiot Bush was as president. He couldn't catch OBL if OBL surrendered himself at the White House. It took a week under his administration to get FEMA out to New Orleans following one of the worst natural disasters to befall America in modern times.

    Oh goody, are we now going to compare the response to natural disasters in LA, by both administrations? Because if you really want to have that food fight, I am sure you would lose that one.

    Oh, and BTW, could you possibly post like an adult, if I want to read blue crayon, I'll ask my 5 year old niece to rewrite the postings.


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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Yes because your Bush bashing site says so.

    We should just ask them and they will tell us.

    Nice try but the information came from foreign country interrogations.


    Enhanced Interrogation | Osama Bin Laden | Guantanamo Bay | The Daily Caller

    CIA Director Leon Panetta stomped on the White House’s political script when he told Tuesday night’s broadcast of NBC Nightly News that the waterboarding of jihadi detainees contributed information that led to the location and killing of Osama bin Laden.

    “We had multiple series of sources that provided information with regards to this situation… clearly some of it came from detainees [and] they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of those detainees,” he told NBC anchor Brian Williams.

    When asked by Williams if water-boarding was part of the “enhanced interrogation techniques,” Panetta simply said “that’s correct.”


    Read more: Enhanced Interrogation | Osama Bin Laden | Guantanamo Bay | The Daily Caller
    You are the most ignorant member here. Debating you is like debating a first grader.
    Bad information, misinformation, lies and false leads are worse than no information at all. Bush's policies wasted resources and time and gave Bib laden years of extra life. Sorry, but that's the fact.
    Maybe you should go back to the birther issue. You sound just as ignorant talking about that.

    Here is another bush bashing site that tells the truth:
    http://www.military.com/news/article...snt--work.html

    Ex-Interrogator: Torture Doesn't Work
    December 06, 2008
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    Writing under the pseudonym of Matthew Alexander, a former special intelligence operations officer, who in 1996 led an interrogations team in Iraq, has written a compelling book where he details his direct experience with torture practices. He conducted more than 300 interrogations and supervised more than a thousand and was awarded a Bronze Star for his achievements in Iraq. Alexander's nonviolent interrogation methods led Special Forces to Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, the head of Al-Qaeda in Iraq. His new book is titled "How to Break a Terrorist: The US Interrogators Who Used Brains, Not Brutality, to Take Down the Deadliest Man in Iraq."

    "It's extremely ineffective, and it's counterproductive to what we're trying to accomplish," he told reporters. "When we torture somebody, it hardens their resolve," Alexander explained. "The information that you get is unreliable ... And even if you do get reliable information, you're able to stop a terrorist attack, Al-Qaeda's then going to use the fact that we torture people to recruit new members." Alexander says torture techniques used in Iraq consistently failed to produce actionable intelligence and that methods outlined in the US Army Field Manual, which rest on confidence building, consistently worked and gave the interrogators access to critical information.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No because I know the CIA investigates what he says and sifts through the lies and acts on the ones found to be true.

    Rep. King: Waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Gave Up Osama Bin Laden's Courier CBS New York

    “Osama bin Laden would not have been captured and killed if it were not for the initial information we got from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed after he was waterboarded,” Long Island Rep. Peter King told CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer.

    It is a very controversial form of torture. Water is poured over the face of an immobilized captive, causing the individual to feel like he’s drowning. However, Rep. King, chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, said that very technique pried the name and identity of Osama bin Laden’s courier out of Mohammed — the mastermind of the 9/11 attack.

    “The initial information we received on who the currier was, the person to lead us to bin Laden, came as the result of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed being waterboarded,” Rep. King said. “He appeared on the radar screen as a result of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s statements after he was waterboarded.”
    If Rep. King said it, then it must be true. Who ever heard of a Congressman actually bending the truth? And then there was his details.. what? No details? No backup? Just an unsupported statement? But he's a congressman. If you can't trust a congressman to always know and tell the truth, who can you trust?
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If Rep. King said it, then it must be true. Who ever heard of a Congressman actually bending the truth? And then there was his details.. what? No details? No backup? Just an unsupported statement? But he's a congressman. If you can't trust a congressman to always know and tell the truth, who can you trust?

    So, should we only 'trust' the words of those that agree with you on the matter? Is that how we should go forward?


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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post

    No because I know the CIA investigates what he says and sifts through the lies and acts on the ones found to be true.

    Rep. King: Waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Gave Up Osama Bin Laden's Courier CBS New York

    “Osama bin Laden would not have been captured and killed if it were not for the initial information we got from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed after he was waterboarded,” Long Island Rep. Peter King told CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer.

    It is a very controversial form of torture. Water is poured over the face of an immobilized captive, causing the individual to feel like he’s drowning. However, Rep. King, chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, said that very technique pried the name and identity of Osama bin Laden’s courier out of Mohammed — the mastermind of the 9/11 attack.

    “The initial information we received on who the currier was, the person to lead us to bin Laden, came as the result of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed being waterboarded,” Rep. King said. “He appeared on the radar screen as a result of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s statements after he was waterboarded.”
    Ummm, yeah ... this is the information the CIA gathered from KSM ...

    1) The courier's fake name, "Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti"

    2) And the lie that the courier was "retired."

    Waterboarding did not help capture OBL. The valuable information came from detainees who were not tortured:

    The claim

    Torture interrogation techniques including waterboarding was key to finding the location of Osama bin Laden.

    The background
    After President Obama announced the killing of Osama bin Laden, U.S. Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, tweeted, "Wonder what President Obama thinks of waterboarding now?"

    Rep. Peter King, R-NY, said, "Osama bin Laden would not have been captured and killed if it were not for the initial information we got from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed after he was waterboarded."

    So what led U.S. forces to find bin Laden's Pakistan compound? The reported key was identifying the courier who transported the terrorist leader's messages. The only clue in 2002 and 2003 was the man's fake name: Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti.

    In 2003, the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was captured, held at secret CIA prisons and waterboarded 183 times.

    Waterboarding involves water being poured over the mouth and nose of a restrained prisoner, creating the sensation of drowning. It can cause extreme pain; damage to the lungs and brain; other injuries, including broken bones from struggling against restraints; and psychological damage.

    Months after his waterboarding ended -- according to New York Times and Associated Press reports -- Mohammed was asked about the courier. He said he knew little but that the courier was "retired."

    Fact Check: No evidence presented waterboarding helped find bin Laden | Reno Gazette-Journal | rgj.com

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

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    Oh goody, are we now going to compare the response to natural disasters in LA, by both administrations? Because if you really want to have that food fight, I am sure you would lose that one.

    Oh, and BTW, could you possibly post like an adult, if I want to read blue crayon, I'll ask my 5 year old niece to rewrite the postings.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, should we only 'trust' the words of those that agree with you on the matter? Is that how we should go forward?


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