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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

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    It has been proven that most information obtained from torture is unreliable

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post

    Proven by who? People who are against it?
    (AP) Accused al Qaeda mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed complained that interrogators tortured lies out of him, though he proudly took credit for more than two dozen other terror plots, according to sections of government transcripts released Monday.

    "I make up stories," Mohammed said at one point in his 2007 hearing at Guantanamo Bay.

    In broken English, he described an interrogation in which he was asked the location of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

    "Where is he? I don't know," Mohammed said. "Then he torture me. Then I said, `Yes, he is in this area or this is al Qaeda which I don't know him.' I said no, they torture me."

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    What did Obama do to find Bin Laden?
    Candidate Barack Obama made a campaign promise that he would get Osama even if he was in Pakistan. John McCain criticised him for saying that. He told his CIA director that it was a high priority.

    Bush said that he might be dead or living in a cave and was irrelevant, he didn't care about him. (he had his mind on Saddam Hussein.) We know now that Bin Laden wasn't irrelevant as Bush had said. Indeed the killing of Bin Laden has resulted in getting a huge cache of intelligence.


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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Thats right. Please mister terrorist give us information please. That will get us such credible information.
    You are as bad as the terrorists. False information from torture does more damage to an investigation than tried and true methods. You have to be smarter than the terrorists. I really have never seen anyone so clueless as you.
    Oh, sorry to hear your birther/torture candidate Trump isn't going to run. Seems his business is more important than the country.
    One last time. Torture does not get us reliable information. It is totally useless. You would confess to just about anything under torture.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    (AP) Accused al Qaeda mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed complained that interrogators tortured lies out of him, though he proudly took credit for more than two dozen other terror plots, according to sections of government transcripts released Monday.

    "I make up stories," Mohammed said at one point in his 2007 hearing at Guantanamo Bay.

    In broken English, he described an interrogation in which he was asked the location of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

    "Where is he? I don't know," Mohammed said. "Then he torture me. Then I said, `Yes, he is in this area or this is al Qaeda which I don't know him.' I said no, they torture me."
    You believe a man that admits he lies?

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Candidate Barack Obama made a campaign promise that he would get Osama even if he was in Pakistan. John McCain criticised him for saying that. He told his CIA director that it was a high priority.

    Bush said that he might be dead or living in a cave and was irrelevant, he didn't care about him. (he had his mind on Saddam Hussein.) We know now that Bin Laden wasn't irrelevant as Bush had said. Indeed the killing of Bin Laden has resulted in getting a huge cache of intelligence.
    How do you know that? You are so busy denying Bush and p[raising Obama you make no sense. The CIA said intell came during Bush in interrogations in foreign countries.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    You are as bad as the terrorists. False information from torture does more damage to an investigation than tried and true methods. You have to be smarter than the terrorists. I really have never seen anyone so clueless as you.
    Oh, sorry to hear your birther/torture candidate Trump isn't going to run. Seems his business is more important than the country.
    One last time. Torture does not get us reliable information. It is totally useless. You would confess to just about anything under torture.
    Yes because your Bush bashing site says so.

    We should just ask them and they will tell us.

    Nice try but the information came from foreign country interrogations.


    Enhanced Interrogation | Osama Bin Laden | Guantanamo Bay | The Daily Caller

    CIA Director Leon Panetta stomped on the White House’s political script when he told Tuesday night’s broadcast of NBC Nightly News that the waterboarding of jihadi detainees contributed information that led to the location and killing of Osama bin Laden.

    “We had multiple series of sources that provided information with regards to this situation… clearly some of it came from detainees [and] they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of those detainees,” he told NBC anchor Brian Williams.

    When asked by Williams if water-boarding was part of the “enhanced interrogation techniques,” Panetta simply said “that’s correct.”


    Read more: Enhanced Interrogation | Osama Bin Laden | Guantanamo Bay | The Daily Caller

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Riiiight ... Bush, the shmuck who couldn't capture bin Laden when he had him cornered in Tora Bora ... the putz who couldn't find the WMD he invaded Iraq over ... the yutz who couldn't eat a pretzel without passing out. Please, if Bush were still president, Osama bin Laden would still be alive.
    Partisan hackery and absolute statements about a hypothetical scenario with absolutely no reasoning behind them. Do you really think this post adds anything to the discussion?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post

    You believe a man that admits he lies?
    Oh, my!

    Ummm, need I remind you ... you're the one who took the position that waterboarding him led to the killing of Osama bin Laden. Now you roll over laughing at the notion of believing him.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post

    Partisan hackery and absolute statements about a hypothetical scenario with absolutely no reasoning behind them. Do you really think this post adds anything to the discussion?
    It does for those of us who recognize that none of that was "hypothetical." It's meant to highlight what a bumbling idiot Bush was as president. He couldn't catch OBL if OBL surrendered himself at the White House. It took a week under his administration to get FEMA out to New Orleans following one of the worst natural disasters to befall America in modern times.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Oh, my!

    Ummm, need I remind you ... you're the one who took the position that waterboarding him led to the killing of Osama bin Laden. Now you roll over laughing at the notion of believing him.
    No because I know the CIA investigates what he says and sifts through the lies and acts on the ones found to be true.

    Rep. King: Waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Gave Up Osama Bin Laden's Courier « CBS New York

    “Osama bin Laden would not have been captured and killed if it were not for the initial information we got from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed after he was waterboarded,” Long Island Rep. Peter King told CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer.

    It is a very controversial form of torture. Water is poured over the face of an immobilized captive, causing the individual to feel like he’s drowning. However, Rep. King, chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, said that very technique pried the name and identity of Osama bin Laden’s courier out of Mohammed — the mastermind of the 9/11 attack.

    “The initial information we received on who the currier was, the person to lead us to bin Laden, came as the result of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed being waterboarded,” Rep. King said. “He appeared on the radar screen as a result of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s statements after he was waterboarded.”

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