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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    One thing he did deliver on and did it well: Getting OBL
    Thanks to Bush policies and the military. Obama did little if anything

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And deserves credit.

    But neither President Bush or President Obama wanted to magnify Osama's importance, and both downplayed the necessity of capturing or killing him.

    Barack Obama: killing Osama bin Laden not essential - Telegraph
    It is now a campaign point for Obama. More Chicago

    style politics with no integrity.

    Bin Laden death now part of Obama's re-elect message - latimes.com

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    Yes, I said that he did and that both Presidents did. These are facts and not in dispute. There is no disagreement here.
    And one president went after him and one didn't.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Again Bush said he was not really worried about him while he was in office. This is a fact.
    Bush policies that Obama was against made it possible to get Bin Laden

    Michael Barone: Bush policies helped Obama get bin Laden - Orange County Register

    While we may not know all the details about and behind this operation, it's fascinating to see how many of the things that made the success of this operation possible were not so long ago decried by many of the president's fans and fellow partisans.

    For one thing, it apparently would not have happened without those infamous enhanced interrogation techniques "torture," according to critics of the Bush administration.

    The enhanced interrogation techniques reportedly led to identification of the courier who eventually led our forces to bin Laden's hiding place. Critics of waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques assured us that "torture" could not produce reliable information.

    They were probably right that sometimes such techniques yield false information. But the bin Laden operation shows that they can also produce actionable intelligence.

    You may remember that many Democrats called for criminal prosecution of CIA interrogators who were acting under orders vetted by legal counsel. Attorney General Eric Holder actually considered bringing such prosecutions.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

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    So Bush was to blame but Obama is not.
    Is this a question?

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Bush policies that Obama was against made it possible to get Bin Laden

    Michael Barone: Bush policies helped Obama get bin Laden - Orange County Register

    While we may not know all the details about and behind this operation, it's fascinating to see how many of the things that made the success of this operation possible were not so long ago decried by many of the president's fans and fellow partisans.

    For one thing, it apparently would not have happened without those infamous enhanced interrogation techniques – "torture," according to critics of the Bush administration.

    The enhanced interrogation techniques reportedly led to identification of the courier who eventually led our forces to bin Laden's hiding place. Critics of waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques assured us that "torture" could not produce reliable information.

    They were probably right that sometimes such techniques yield false information. But the bin Laden operation shows that they can also produce actionable intelligence.

    You may remember that many Democrats called for criminal prosecution of CIA interrogators who were acting under orders vetted by legal counsel. Attorney General Eric Holder actually considered bringing such prosecutions.
    Fact Check: No evidence presented waterboarding helped find bin Laden

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Is this a question?



    And?
    Since ulsd gas has always been less.

    Not as much a question as showing the hypocrisy and double standard

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

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    Since ulsd gas has always been less.
    Whats ulsd ?


    Not as much a question as showing the hypocrisy and double standard
    define hypocrisy for me.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm not so sure.
    As more comes out, you will see.

    Yes, both have been responsible for the out of control growth of government and resultant unsustainable spending.
    Agreed. Thank God that the people are waking up. Let's hope it isn't too late.

    Every other government sponsors a universal health care in one form or another, and all of them are less expensive than what we have. If we can't do it too, then it's time to make some radical changes to our government.
    Every other country doesn't have 330 million people to cover, with 47% paying nothing either. Every other country doesn't have the innovation that the US has in the medical field. Every other country? Hell Mass. Health care which Obama is trying to hang around Romney saying that he fashioned his HC after that, is FAILING quickly.

    Changes? yes. A failed HC system? no thanks.

    By that, do you mean that the government is going to aggressively pursue our domestic resources?
    They're going to have to. The agitprop that "green" energy is the only path is nonsense. The people won't stand for $8 per gallon.

    What about all of the oil and gas leases that are just waiting? Why doesn't the private sector exploit them? (Hint: profitability of the resources and cost of extraction.)

    What leases that have oil? Don't buy that hype, the Government has raked in millions off leases that either have nothing in them, or granting the leases then miring down the process through extensive regulation that makes it unprofitable. This meme about drilling going up and all, tell me, how is it a good thing that our own oil production is down? If drilling is up? Sounds to me like Obama is playing a shell game, and when this scam is revealed his head on a pike may not be enough.

    All by himself?

    No, the president of a Constitutional Republic with a capitalistic economic system simply doesn't have that kind of power.
    Yet, through a signing statement, and his unelected regulatory bodies he is end running the congress at every turn he can. Try again.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As more comes out, you will see.



    Agreed. Thank God that the people are waking up. Let's hope it isn't too late.
    Maybe they are waking up. A lot of people still are in the la la land of thinking we can balance the budget by cutting the other guy's government program, raising taxes on the other guy, or perhaps by cutting taxes and magically bringing in more revenue.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Every other country doesn't have 330 million people to cover, with 47% paying nothing either. Every other country doesn't have the innovation that the US has in the medical field. Every other country? Hell Mass. Health care which Obama is trying to hang around Romney saying that he fashioned his HC after that, is FAILING quickly.

    Changes? yes. A failed HC system? no thanks.
    We have a failed HC system now. Blaming it on the population of the country isn't going to help. Having a large percentage of the population not paying into it is one factor that needs to be addressed. The cost of everything from pills to surgery to X rays is the biggest factor that has to be addressed.

    There is no free lunch, but there is a cheaper one. We can't afford the health care system we have much longer.


    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    They're going to have to. The agitprop that "green" energy is the only path is nonsense. The people won't stand for $8 per gallon.
    Agreed on the "green" energy.

    The idea that we have enough easily recoverable oil to affect the world price is also nonsense. Exploiting our resources for a domestic only market is another idea that ignores global economics.


    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What leases that have oil? Don't buy that hype, the Government has raked in millions off leases that either have nothing in them, or granting the leases then miring down the process through extensive regulation that makes it unprofitable. This meme about drilling going up and all, tell me, how is it a good thing that our own oil production is down? If drilling is up? Sounds to me like Obama is playing a shell game, and when this scam is revealed his head on a pike may not be enough.
    No, I think the oil companies are smarter than that. Pay for leases that don't have any oil? They know more about where the oil is than the government does, don't you think? The trick is to predict the price and to know which resources can be exploited profitably.



    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yet, through a signing statement, and his unelected regulatory bodies he is end running the congress at every turn he can. Try again.

    j-mac
    I don't think so, but if you are correct that the president has the power to make laws and ignore congress, then our two century plus experiment in democracy is a failure.
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