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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Nine people, without a clue want to know.
    They were looking for clues. Notice when Bush school records leaked no arrests

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    was your "cum laud from Harvard "from Harvard sealed?
    There is no proof if all records are sealed

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    in ptif219 world 83% of the population of the United States are morons eh?
    Show proof of the 83%

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    There is no proof if all records are sealed
    I wonder why some of the brain trust didn't ask Harvard Law School News Coordinator, Emily Dupraz?If they did they would have had the answer,but of course it wouldn't not have been the answer they were wanting to hear.

    I guess that could be their reason for not inquiring eh?
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    The supreme court ruled that if YOUR MOTHER is a US citizen, you are US citizen. And the birth certificate shows he was born in the US. Give it up already.
    It did no such thing . Where do you get this crap from?

    House Report No. 784, dated June 22, 1874, stated, “The United States have not recognized a ‘double allegiance.’ By our law a citizen is bound to be ‘true and faithful’ alone to our government.” It wouldn’t be practical for the United States to claim a child as a citizen when the child’s natural country of origin equally claims him/her because doing so would leave the child with competing legal obligations
    Under British law at the time of Obams birth he was a british citizen.

    Hes OUT

    Natural-Born Citizen Defined

    One universal point most all early publicists agreed on was natural-born citizen must mean one who is a citizen by no act of law. If a person owes their citizenship to some act of law (naturalization for example), they cannot be considered a natural-born citizen. This leads us to defining natural-born citizen under the laws of nature - laws the founders recognized and embraced.

    Under the laws of nature, every child born requires no act of law to establish the fact the child inherits through nature his/her father’s citizenship as well as his name (or even his property) through birth. This law of nature is also recognized by law of nations. Sen. Howard said the citizenship clause under the Fourteenth Amendment was by virtue of “natural law and national law.”

    The advantages of Natural Law is competing allegiances between nations are not claimed, or at least with those nations whose custom is to not make citizens of other countries citizens without their consent. Any alternations or conflicts due to a child’s natural citizenship are strictly a creature of local municipal law. In the year 1866, the United States for the first time adopted a local municipal law under Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes that read: “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.”
    SCOTUS cannot rule on this as it is not a US law. It s above the law like our rights.

    Conclusion

    Extending citizenship to non-citizens through birth based solely upon locality is nothing more than mere municipal law that has no extra-territorial effect as proven from the English practice of it. On the other hand, citizenship by descent through the father is natural law and is recognized by all nations (what nation doesn’t recognize citizenship of children born wherever to their own citizens?). Thus, a natural-born citizen is one whose citizenship is recognized by law of nations rather than mere local recognition.

    Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, James F. Wilson of Iowa, confirmed this in 1866: “We must depend on the general law relating to subjects and citizens recognized by all nations for a definition, and that must lead us to the conclusion that every person born in the United States is a natural-born citizen of such States, except that of children born on our soil to temporary sojourners or representatives of foreign Governments.”*

    When a child inherits the citizenship of their father they become a natural-born citizen of the nation their father belongs regardless of where they might be born. It should be pointed out that citizenship through descent of the father was recognized by U.S. Naturalization law whereby children became citizens themselves as soon as their father had become a naturalized citizen.In a nation that has abandoned the English tradition of “perpetual allegiance” to the King upon birth for the principal of expatriation, the requirement of preexisting allegiance of the father can be the only method for a child to be born into the allegiance of the nation, and thus, a natural-born citizen.
    Game set match

    Now you give it up

    Defining Natural-Born Citizen
    Defining Natural-Born Citizen

    I see the libs have you off on another wild goose chase while the truth stares you all in the face.

    Like I said even he knows it
    At one point in the second debate, Keyes, accused Obama saying, “You are not even a natural born citizen!”

    To which Obama immediately replied, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency.”
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    I wonder why some of the brain trust didn't ask Harvard Law School News Coordinator, Emily Dupraz?If they did they would have had the answer,but of course it wouldn't not have been the answer they were wanting to hear.

    I guess that could be their reason for not inquiring eh?
    There is no proof if the records are sealed

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    There is no proof if the records are sealed


    In the world of “ptif219”what constitutes proof? In the world of “ptif219” world is Bin Ladin still alive and kicken?
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    ptif219,s out scouting for a good spot for planting the next birther goalpost as we speak.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    A 'righty loser' is a contradiction in terms.
    So you are biased, and lack the ability to be subjective,......in other words, a waste of time.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    In the world of “ptif219”what constitutes proof? In the world of “ptif219” world is Bin Ladin still alive and kicken?
    Records sealed means no proof, what is Obama hiding?

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