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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm very disappointed that US military bases are not jus soli (philosophically, as a patriot) and I apologize to those who I was smug with about it.

    We need a "Damn, I was wrong" thread, where people can repent.
    Believe me, very few posters here possess the honesty to actually be able to use it.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    He still graduated the bottom of his class and was known for being an atheist in his youth...
    so what? The reports were that McCain was rather a jokester in school, and not the best of students, but he distinguished himself in the war, and Senate. He still didn't win, so that point is now moot.


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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    This thread...
    Quote Originally Posted by BooRadley
    Exactly. I even had to ask J if he was a birther because of his defense earlier.
    Then it should be no problem for either of you to provide examples. And Joe, you should really know better.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    1075 posts in and I'm just getting started, so let me just make my peace.

    Obama was almost certainly a citizen. The problem was the almost part. It could have easily been proven to be true if this form had been released to the public when the question arose. Why did it take two and a half years for the chosen one to bow down to the people's request? I think the answer is in the question. None of this would have been an issue if Obama had seen fit to just show us the birth certificate. He kept the issue alive and even gave the issue credence by not addressing it. Further, he handled the issue in a rather classless manner by degraded the people that wanted to insure the constitution was being followed. There was no need for that, but he did show us why liberals get the stereotype of being elitists. It was as if he was beyond reproach. As if questioning him on the matter of being constitutionally eligible for the position was improper. After all, he is Barack Hussein Obama II and no one shall question his holiness.

    Don't get me wrong...I'm glad he was a haughty ass in his presentation. It allowed the rest of America to see what I've known since he burst onto the political scene. I just wish they had seen it sooner so we could have avoided the economic nightmare that is the last 2 years.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Then it should be no problem for either of you to provide examples. And Joe, you should really know better.

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    Well, you can start by going to Ptif's profile and do a search of his posts

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Tea Party =/= birthers anymore than homicidal clowns = Democrats.
    As a total aside

    This sentence is perfectly reasonable and meaningful in regular English usage, but in a programming sense, (or w/e), it says the opposite of what's intended.

    Code:
    Tea Party does not equal birthers anymore than homicidal clowns equal Democrats.
    [Totally normal sentence that says what is intended]
    
    (The amount that TP does not equal birthers) ≤ (the amount that  homicidal clowns = Democrats)
    
      tp ≠ birthers is true       and       homicidal clowns = Democrats is at least as true.
    [crazy interpretation that would be valid in a much different context and which is the opposite of what was intended]
    
      tp ≠ birthers is true       and       homicidal clowns = Democrats is at least as false
    [weird way of conveying the intent of the original]

    Anyway, that's my little Peggy Hill musing for the morning
    Last edited by Simon W. Moon; 04-28-11 at 01:38 PM.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    As a total aside

    This sentence is perfectly reasonable and meaningful in regular English usage, but in a programming sense, (or w/e), it says the opposite of what's intended.

    Code:
    Tea Party does not equal birthers anymore than homicidal clowns equal Democrats.
    [Totally normal sentence that says what is intended]
    
    (The amount that TP does not equal birthers) ≤ (the amount that  homicidal clowns = Democrats)
    
      tp ≠ birthers is true       and       homicidal clowns = Democrats is at least as true.
    [crazy interpretation that would be valid in a much different context and which is the opposite of what was intended]
    
      tp ≠ birthers is true       and       homicidal clowns = Democrats is at least as false
    [weird way of conveying the intent of the original]

    Anyway, that's my little Peggy Hill musing for the morning
    Simon you need to get laid.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    The problem was the almost part. It could have easily been proven to be true if this form had been released to the public when the question arose.
    AFAICT, it was. The doc that's valid enough to use to get a passport wasn't enough for some is all.

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    None of this would have been an issue if Obama had seen fit to just show us the birth certificate.
    Which he did. The doc that's valid enough to use to get a passport wasn't enough for some is all.

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    He kept the issue alive and even gave the issue credence by not addressing it.
    Obama kept it alive? We'll haver to agree to disagree on that count.
    It seems more accurate, imho, to say that the people who spent so much time writing about it "kept the issue alive". Obviously, ymmv.

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    It allowed the rest of America to see what I've known since he burst onto the political scene.
    The thing is, it seem to me, that in order for someone to "see what [you've] known" one has to start off already "knowing" what you've known. Otherwise, it's hard to look at what has happened and see it the way that you do.
    To me, and perhaps others, it seems more like the birthers are the ones who kept it alive after Obama showed his birth certificate--a BC that valid, legal and sufficient to use when getting a driver's license or a passport and a jillion other uses. It's the only kind of BC that I have ever had to use in my entire life. This may also be the case of other people besides myself. The fact that it takes a special waiver to get the different kind of BC lends some credence to my theory that very few people have ever had to show more than what Obama showed some time ago.
    So, given that, I suspect that people other than just me see the entity with the "issue" in re Obama's BC as the birthers, not Obama.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Simon you need to get laid.
    While I don't disagree with that sentiment, and instead heartily agree with it, I disagree with the implication that I haven't had any in a while. I am married with small two kids, AND grandma is in town!!
    If you have had small kids, then I don't need to explain anymore.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    While I don't disagree with that sentiment, and instead heartily agree with it, I disagree with the implication that I haven't had any in a while. I am married with small two kids, AND grandma is in town!!
    If you have had small kids, then I don't need to explain anymore.
    i'm a kid, but from what I've heard around here marriage and children are the two greatest factors preventing dudes from gettin some.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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