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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No doubt. But just a sconservatives always see a liberal bias in the media, and liberals always see a conservative bias in the media. your view is likely effected by your own bias. But having been involved in all the discussions that took place there, consitantly told by liberals that we're treating the unfairly and favoring conservatives, and always told by conservatives that we're treating them unfairly and favoring liberals, well, one gets used to the whining after awhile. The fact is we did just what I said we did.


    I don't see that here.


    If you want to argue whistlestopper, lets do it in a different thread.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I am aware of that, and nobody on the left turned it into an issue either...
    Sorry, this is simply untrue.

    Origins of the claims
    People who express doubts about Obama's eligibility or reject details about his early life are often informally called "birthers", a term that parallels[15] the nickname "truthers" for adherents of 9/11 conspiracy theories.[16]

    During the Democratic Party's 2008 presidential primaries, anonymous e-mails from supporters of Hillary Clinton surfaced that questioned Obama's citizenship in an attempt to revive Clinton's faltering primary campaign. These and numerous other chain e-mails during the subsequent presidential election circulated false rumors about Obama's origin, religion and birth certificate.[17] [18]

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I ahven't said anyone IS racist. But I have said the question of why has to be asked of ALL, EVERY SINGLE ONE, who for more of Obama than anyone else. Read for comprehension.


    then state what you are thinking, show the intestinal fortitude of your positions, you fool no one.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I don't see that here.


    If you want to argue whistlestopper, lets do it in a different thread.
    I only want to argue the point. You guys are defending Birthers when you should not. Few members anywhere actually defended the nutters of the 9/11 conspiracy.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Political Compass ~ (2,-2), The Cool Quad

    And...

    Regarding people born at U.S. military bases in foreign countries, current U.S. State Department policy (as codified in the department's Foreign Affairs Manual) reads:


    "Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."[30]

    The foregoing section of the FAM only addresses citizenship by 'jus soli: In short, what is the geographic scope of the "United States"? This does not affect citizenship via 'jus sanguinis, i.e. those who are born abroad to U.S. citizens and who otherwise meet the qualifications for statutory citizenship.[31] The State Department also asserts that "the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes."[32] This position seems to be at odds with the fact that Congress in 1790 felt it could confer natural born citizenship on those born abroad to American parents.

    According to an April 2000 report by the Congressional Research Service, most constitutional scholars interpret Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution as including citizens born outside the United States to parents who are U.S. citizens under the "natural born" requirement. This same CRS report also asserts that citizens born in the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands are legally defined as "natural born" citizens and are, therefore, also eligible to be elected President.[29]
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    That link has other presidents who it was an issue for as well. I thought military bases were jus soli.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    then state what you are thinking, show the intestinal fortitude of your positions, you fool no one.
    I have stated exactly what I'm thinking. I would like to see a rational explianation. I have not seen one. Until then, it remains a question.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    give me some examples of conservatives "actively defending" ANY of the Kenyan, Muslim nonsense.


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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    This thread...
    Exactly. I even had to ask J if he was a birther because of his defense earlier.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    As I understand it, he needs to prove that he actually earned his education, and it wasn't all about affirmative action.
    Well, that and the religion issue. Is he a Muslim, or a Christian who attended a church led by an anti American radical? It's a difficult decision to make.

    Maybe he's a Muslim plant in an anti American church. Yeah, that's it.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    I'm very disappointed that US military bases are not jus soli (philosophically, as a patriot) and I apologize to those who I was smug with about it.

    We need a "Damn, I was wrong" thread, where people can repent.

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