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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Maybe the TP are bigger liars...


    Tea Party =/= birthers anymore than homicidal clowns = Democrats.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by tjinta ibis View Post
    Not so true. My daughter was born on a base in Italy, and I had to end up getting a certificate of citizenship for her. Why? I was born abroad, and my wife was born abroad, even though I had citizenship through my father who was born in the U.S. Besides if someone born on a base in a foreign country is deemed to be born on american soil, then this whole birther issue shows it's pointlessness.
    Not that I'm trying to defend birthers at all, but this does not follow.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    j-mac:
    Get over it. Its over, all your birther nonsense and the Ayers stuff.
    Read up on the Ayers/Obama connection, which really is not a connection at all.
    PolitiFact | Obama served on board with Ayers
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-didnt-run-it/


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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Please! What does this have to do with W? Bottom line, tp's and trumps birther crap was a spin. I still go with the premise if Obama was all white, this issue would have never surfaced.


    McCain.............. just sayin t- bone.
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I am not surprised racist groups are attracted to the movement... they tend to hate foreign people


    Well if a blog calling trump a "klansman" says so.....
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, that is convenient for you eh? Able to throw a statement out there without any real documentation to back it up, fore we all know that WS is long gone, and nothing retrievable. As I recall it, when the Bush name calling, and nonsense was prevalent very few got called out publicly for their postings by other libs. Most were just ignored, much the same as this situation.

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    j, Surely you can check with those banned and those who banned. We pulled a Bush is Hitler thread, denounced Moveon for their ad, and Banned a few who wouldn't stop. It caused a lot of debate amongst us.

    And I always said the bush was behind 9/11 nonsense was nonsense. You know that if you have any honest memory at all.

    But I'm not talking about ignoring. You guys are actively defending. That is even worse.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    AFAICT this is nothing more than a conspiracy theory, if you have any real evidence for this j-mac I'd like to see it.
    Well, I don't think that anyone really knows the truth on that one, but some interesting observations have come out over the years, such as this from Andrew McCarthy whom I don't think is a crackpot by any standard.

    There has been speculation about this which I’ve ignored, no doubt because there are enough policy reasons to oppose Barack Obama and I don’t want to feed into what sounds, at first blush, like Vince Fosteresque paranoia. But I’ve finally read Jack Cashill’s lengthy analysis in The American Thinker. It is thorough, thoughtful, and alarming — particularly his deconstruction of the text in Obama’s memoir and comparison to the themes, sophistication and signature phraseology of Bill Ayers’ memoir.

    There is nothing in Obama’s scant paper trail prior to 1995 that would suggest something as stylish and penetrating as, at times, Dreams from My Father is. And when Obama speaks extemporaneously, one doesn’t hear the same voice one encounters in the book. Now maybe Obama has a backlog of writing fom Columbia or Harvard that signal great literary promise, but he not only hasn’t shared it, he’s assiduously hidden traces of it. And, to be sure, writing is different from speaking — in fairness, some of Obama’s off-the-cuff bumbling when he speaks is certainly due to the rigors of the campaign which would cause even the most gifted communicator to faulter from time to time. But it’s not unreasonable to expect more similarity between Obama the writer and Obama the orator.

    Did Obama Write “Dreams from My Father” … Or Did Ayers? - By Andrew C. McCarthy - The Corner - National Review Online

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's nonsense rev. Seriously, when you ask something one one person that you don't ask of others, ignore all evidence, and conctinue to push something that is outright silly, you have to ask why?


    McCain was asked as well.


    Hillary campaign brought up the issue. That racist!
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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh quit whining, or I'll start bringing back some of the postings from the 8 years of Bush, and the downright vitriol spewed from liberals toward Bush, Bush supporters, and anyone that even claimed to be a conservative.



    Yeah, one of them written by Bill Ayers, you know, the man that Obama says he didn't know that well?



    I don't know, maybe a few over the years....But I just agreed with SB, why are you still beating a dead horse?

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    I am not whining... I just pointing out irony.

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    Re: Obama to speak on birth certificate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    McCain was asked as well.


    Hillary campaign brought up the issue. That racist!
    Actually no, he was brought up to show the hypocracy. There was no serious challenege to McCain. And it doesn't matter who brough it up first. The question applies to all who brought it up.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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