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    Re: Panel says it has enough signatures to recall Wisconsin state Sen. Rob Cowles

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    He will be recalled, but whether or not he stays in office is going to depend on voter intensity at the time of the new election.



    Chicken.
    If he gets recalled, I'd say he has a good chance of losing... If you think about, it seems like more people angry enough to get out and vote against him, but how many people actually support him so strongly they'll go to the polls to defend him?

    I'd say he'll be one term..

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    Re: Panel says it has enough signatures to recall Wisconsin state Sen. Rob Cowles

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    but how many people actually support him so strongly they'll go to the polls to defend him?
    At least 752,323 people

    http://gab.wi.gov/sites/default/file...of_t_13576.pdf

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    Re: Panel says it has enough signatures to recall Wisconsin state Sen. Rob Cowles

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I'll take the bet. Can I just take the under (on a net gain of 2 dem) or do I need to give a specific number?
    The bet is on whether or not the Republicans keep the Senate. I say they do. Do you want to bet on the Democrats?
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    Re: Panel says it has enough signatures to recall Wisconsin state Sen. Rob Cowles

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The bet is on whether or not the Republicans keep the Senate. I say they do. Do you want to bet on the Democrats?
    Bah, that would be a sucker bet. I sent Catawba your way - he's seems like a suck... err... I mean... maybe he'll get in on the action.
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    Re: Panel says it has enough signatures to recall Wisconsin state Sen. Rob Cowles

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Forward to post: I want to make this thread interesting, so here is what I am going to do - Make a prediction. Whoever disagrees with me can make a bet with me. Whoever wins the bet picks a new avatar for the loser, who will have to wear that avatar for a week.

    Here is my prediction - The Republicans keep the Wisconsin Senate. Explanation to be given at the bottom of this post.

    Who wants to challenge me? Anybody got the guts?



    6 down and 2 to go. However, I believe that this is the maximum number of recalls that the Dems will be able to initiate, as the other 2 are not vulnerable. I had predicted 5, so I missed the mark by one, which is not too bad.

    Why will Republicans win the recall war? Here it is.

    1) Dems have now recalled 6 Republicans. They will not recall the other 2.

    2) Republicans have recalled 3 Democrats. They will not recall any more.

    3) Dems will be successful in winning 3 of the Republican districts.

    4) Republicans will be successful in winning one of the Democratic districts.

    5) Net gain for the Democrats is 2.

    6) But the Dems need a net gain of 3 to take over the Wisconsin Senate.

    7) Therefore the Republicans come out on top, keep the Senate, and win the Battle of Wisconsin.

    You heard it from me.

    Article is here.
    I never bet unless it is a sure thing and I certainly concede it is not a sure thing. I am impressed with your thorougness however, and you may be right that the Dems won't regain the Senate, but as Grey Davis pollster points out below, I am bullish on a Dem victory. Given the rarity of successful recall elections through history (as indicated in bold below), I think even if the Dems are not successful in retaking the Senate through the recall elections but are successful with at least two, it will still be a significant victory!

    "Gray Davis Pollster Bullish On Wisconsin Recall Elections

    The lead pollster for Gov. Gray Davis (D-Calif.) in 2003, the year Davis was turned out of office by a recall election, says he is bullish about the prospects of forcing recall elections in state Senate districts in Wisconsin this summer and predicts that Democrats will succeed in recalling Gov. Scott Walker (R-Wis.) next year. The recall process in Wisconsin is daunting. Only incumbents who have served at least a year in office are eligible, so Walker and the entire state assembly are exempt from recall efforts until January 2012. Sixteen of Wisconsin’s 33 state senators are currently eligible — eight Republicans and eight Democrats — and recall efforts have been formally initiated against all but two of the Democrats .

    To force a recall election in a given district, petitioners need to gather — in just 60 days — at least 25 percent of the votes cast for governor in 2010 in each district. The signature threshold amounts to roughly 13 percent of Wisconsin’s eligible voters statewide, or roughly 15,000 signatures in each district, though the exact number per district can vary widely. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ‘s Craig Gilbert reports that little precedent exists for an attempt to recall state legislators on such a wide scale: Scholars interviewed last week could cite only three times in American history when more than one state legislator has been recalled at roughly the same time over the same issue: two in Idaho in 1971 over a pay raise, two in Michigan in 1983 over a tax vote and two Republicans in California months apart in 1995 over their collaboration with Democrats.

    But Paul Maslin, a Democratic pollster who worked for both Gray Davis and the Democratic ticket in Wisconsin in 2010 — and who, full disclosure, I worked for from 1986 to ’89 — said he believes the efforts to force recall elections in Wisconsin will succeed. His Wisconsin clients include Sen. Herb Kohl, former Sen. Russ Feingold and Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, the Democrat who Walker defeated in last year’s gubernatorial race. Drawing on his work for Davis, Maslin said he believes both sides will succeed in gathering the necessary signatures to force recall elections. “I can remember many, many conference calls,” he told The Huffington Post, “where various people who were supposedly experts” doubted the ability of Davis’ opponents to force a recall. “The bottom line was, they had no problem getting the signatures. And this [was] 2003, before the advent of Facebook and social networking.” The process is still more demanding in Wisconsin, however. California allowed more time (160 days) and required only about half as many signatures (12 percent of the votes cast in the previous gubernatorial election). But Maslin said he believes the Wisconsin efforts will succeed, since the bases on both sides are “inflamed” and since communication and organizing technology have “changed dramatically” in the last eight years. “If Egypt can overthrow their dictator in 18 days,” he said, “Wisconsin can do it in 60.”

    Perhaps not surprisingly, Maslin predicted that Democrats will succeed in recalling Republican senators and reclaiming a majority of the Wisconsin Senate, which he described as the “first act” leading ultimately to a recall election against Scott Walker and his ouster from office. “We will have an election next year to see who our governor is going to be, and I don’t believe that [Walker's] situation will change enough” to allow him to prevail, he said.

    Maslin did note a “big difference” with the California recall. In 2003, “it was less ‘I hate Gray Davis,’ [though] they didn’t like him, and more ‘I’m just shaking my head about how many bad things are happening in California right now’ — and then you had a star emerge as the answer in Arnold [Schwarzenegger],” he said. Wisconsin’s current situation, he said, is focused much more on Walker. Maslin believes the most important survey measures will involve judgements about Walker. “The key [polling] number is going to be how independents view him, and ultimately do they view him as salvageable” as governor, he said. "
    Gray Davis Pollster Bullish On Wisconsin Recall Elections | 2010 Election Results of Congress and Senate Elections for 2010
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    Re: Panel says it has enough signatures to recall Wisconsin state Sen. Rob Cowles

    Getting the Election is one thing, but everyone is assuming that the vote will automatically go against the Senators being recalled....I wouldn't make that assumption if I were you....Omaha just tried to recall it's Mayor...had thousands more sigs than needed...and he retained the office...
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    Re: Panel says it has enough signatures to recall Wisconsin state Sen. Rob Cowles

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I never bet unless it is a sure thing and I certainly concede it is not a sure thing. I am impressed with your thorougness however, and you may be right that the Dems won't regain the Senate, but as Grey Davis pollster points out below, I am bullish on a Dem victory. Given the rarity of successful recall elections through history (as indicated in bold below), I think even if the Dems are not successful in retaking the Senate through the recall elections but are successful with at least two, it will still be a significant victory!
    Yes, frame it as a victory wether they win or lose. That way your side has no way to do anything but be sucessful.

    After all the time, hopes and money unions teid up into this effort, anything but retaking the WI senate is a failure for them. If they capture a net 2 it's just a minor failure. I still think that's very unlikely, though.

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    Re: Panel says it has enough signatures to recall Wisconsin state Sen. Rob Cowles

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Yes, frame it as a victory wether they win or lose. That way your side has no way to do anything but be sucessful.

    After all the time, hopes and money unions teid up into this effort, anything but retaking the WI senate is a failure for them. If they capture a net 2 it's just a minor failure. I still think that's very unlikely, though.
    No one knows for sure how it wil play out, that's for sure. However, given that "Scholars interviewed last week could cite only three times in American history when more than one state legislator has been recalled at roughly the same time over the same issue," having just two legislators successfully recalled would be an historical event. Given how upset the people of Wisconsin were at the attack on teacher's collective bargaining rights, I think there is a good shot they will retake the Senate. And, I think this GOP war on the working class in Wisconsin, Ohio, and the other states (in combination with the attack on the working class and elderly in the GOP's proposed budget) will help reelect the President.
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    Re: Panel says it has enough signatures to recall Wisconsin state Sen. Rob Cowles

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No one knows for sure how it wil play out, that's for sure. However, given that "Scholars interviewed last week could cite only three times in American history when more than one state legislator has been recalled at roughly the same time over the same issue," having just two legislators successfully recalled would be an historical event. Given how upset the people of Wisconsin were at the attack on teacher's collective bargaining rights, I think there is a good shot they will retake the Senate. And, I think this GOP war on the working class in Wisconsin, Ohio, and the other states (in combination with the attack on the working class and elderly in the GOP's proposed budget) will help reelect the President.
    Cool - I'm not completely sure either, but I'm willing to have a little fun, and bet my avatar on it.

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    Re: Panel says it has enough signatures to recall Wisconsin state Sen. Rob Cowles

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    Cool - I'm not completely sure either, but I'm willing to have a little fun, and bet my avatar on it.

    Put your avatar where your mouth is.
    I would be willing to bet on Obama's reelection if you want!
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