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Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

Most pro-2nd amendment people agree that registration is a prelude to confiscation because the only purpose registration serves is a list of who has what so that the government knows which door to be knocking on when it wants to confiscate firearms.Now wouldn't it be a bad idea to basically tell a middle eastern government you like to pretend to be a gender your are not as well as give them your address and other important info?
 
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Most pro-2nd amendment people agree that registration is a prelude to confiscation because the only purpose registration serves is a list of who has what so that the government knows which door to be knocking on when it wants to confiscate firearms.Now wouldn't it be a bad idea to basically tell a middle eastern government you like to pretend to be a gender your are not as well as give them your address and other important info?

The way you describe transgendered people shows a total lack of understanding how they actually feel and conduct themselves.

I see the need for concern, though. Hopefully Pakistan isn't up to something sinister.
 
BBC News - Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category

Very out of character for Pakistan indeed! But at last, a step towards a civil society.

Not really, at the surface it may seem good, but to my knowledge alot of middle eastern countries allow transgendered people only because they hate homosexuality so much, they would rather you change your sex, then to be homosexual. I watched a documentary on trans people in Iran, and it's quite sad, because alot of people go through the process when they don't suffer from GID, just so they can be with who they want.
 
The way you describe transgendered people shows a total lack of understanding how they actually feel and conduct themselves.

james has no idea about transgenderism. He just spews uninformed nastiness.

I see the need for concern, though. Hopefully Pakistan isn't up to something sinister.

I agree. This is EXTREMELY progressive for a Muslim country.
 
Not really, at the surface it may seem good, but to my knowledge alot of middle eastern countries allow transgendered people only because they hate homosexuality so much, they would rather you change your sex, then to be homosexual. I watched a documentary on trans people in Iran, and it's quite sad, because alot of people go through the process when they don't suffer from GID, just so they can be with who they want.

That's really really sad... I used to know a transgender person from the middle east...
 
Whoa... That is a big step for them, but I am not sure if that's the best thing to do or to let them claim the gender they identify with..

Just to clarify... I think it is probably necessary to have a transgender gender class if they are pre op... That's just because of things like the prison system.
 
james has no idea about transgenderism. He just spews uninformed nastiness.



I agree. This is EXTREMELY progressive for a Muslim country.


which is why it makes no sense......i don't understand this at all. it makes no sense on it's face, and i wouldn't fall for it, were i transgendered or otherwise.
 
which is why it makes no sense......i don't understand this at all. it makes no sense on it's face, and i wouldn't fall for it, were i transgendered or otherwise.

It does feel like they are making a list of some sorts, I don't know any trans people who would want to be classified as trans, but just male or female.
 
james has no idea about transgenderism. He just spews uninformed nastiness.

Nothing uninformed or nasty about what I say. I just believe it is highly unethical for any medical professional or even so called medical professional such a quack to facilitate the mental illness of someone. If you are born a man then you will always be a man regardless of what greedy doctor you got to cut off or modify your genitalia and some quack to prescribe hormone pills. If a guy came into your office says he believes he is a duck trapped in human's body you would try every thing you can to help cure that person,but if he says he a woman trapped in a man's body you would facilitate that mental illness instead of actually curing him. And I am pretty sure that you will claim that facilitating the mental illness of someone who has gender identity disorder is different that someone with species identity disorder disorder or that letting a mentally ill person have their sexual organs chopped off or mutilated and regular hormone therapy is not facilitating someone's mental disorder.
 
I agree. This is EXTREMELY progressive for a Muslim country.

Pakistan has also twice elected Benazir Bhutto as Prime Minister. She is a woman. Muslim countries often do not fit our stereotypes.
 
The way you describe transgendered people shows a total lack of understanding how they actually feel and conduct themselves.

I see the need for concern, though. Hopefully Pakistan isn't up to something sinister.

This ignores the whole point of jamesrage's post. It's a HORRIBLE idea to allow a country that is rife with homophobia to essentially 'register' all of its transgendered individuals. Though the case James cited would be better validated by attempts to register minorities in the past (ie. Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia etc), the importance of his point is still valid. Transgendered people are still seen in a negative light in Middle Eastern countries. This new move to "include them" should be looked at with extreme caution.
 
I intend no insensitivity in the following...

There are estimates that .25% to 1% of the U.S. population fits the definition of "transgendered". If we assume the same percentages hold true for Pakistan, then approximately 169,708.300 of the estimated 169,708,300 total population (as of 2009) would be transgendered (on the high end). If I'm a leader of a country or state and I want to recognize the identities of the transgendered and give them a voice, I would legislate that they may process legal documents to officially have their sexual identity changed (pending psychological review to insure that the person is making the decision with a sound mind, and understands the permanence of the change). The identity would then be "male" or "female".

If, on the other hand, I run a muslim country through religious dictate, I would likely want to remove these people from the population on the basis of the Koran's intolerance and my subservience to Allah. I would therefore allow them to classify themselves as "transgendered" not out of tolerance, but out of ease of identifying "when the time comes". Kind of like the Star of David on Anne Frank's blouse, or the big red "A" on Hester Prynne's bodice.
 
Pakistan has also twice elected Benazir Bhutto as Prime Minister. She is a woman. Muslim countries often do not fit our stereotypes.

that's true, but i think her name and family history had much to do with that. not that she wasn't an impressive woman, btw.
 
Pakistan has also twice elected Benazir Bhutto as Prime Minister. She is a woman. Muslim countries often do not fit our stereotypes.

How did that work out? Oh I remember now...

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How did that work out? Oh I remember now...

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The acts of a few people is not the same thing as a country that could, not once but twice, elect her to office.
 
WTF??? if you are transgendered don't/shouldn't you identify with the gender you "transed" into? is it really necessary for you to broadcast to the world "I used to be a man" or "I used to be a woman"?

If you are transgender and you have "made the adjustments" then you are no longer your previous gender.

If you've got boobs and a kitty, you are a woman... regardless of what equipment you were born with.

OTOH, if you are a transvestite then, in the spirit of truth in advertising, you should let people know, "hey, I may look like a hot chick, but I am packing more meat than hillshire farms"


However, as to the Pakistanis registering transgenders....something just doesn't add up. I, somehow, don't think the govt's motives are pure.
 
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The acts of a few people is not the same thing as a country that could, not once but twice, elect her to office.

Redress, it's one thing to say that a country is accepting of certain candidates, it's another to say that it's progressive because of their election. Acceptance and progression are not the same thing. Soviet Russia was accepting of Jews. Progressive in regards to their rights and benefits? Not really. A society like that of Pakistan's is anything BUT progressive and this move doesn't prove that they're moving in the right direction. While you see the supposed 'recognition' of transgendered people as something to be praised, I see it as nothing more than the creation of a list for future oppression. Countries and political parties who have a proven track record of racism, homophobia, antisemitism etc. with nothing to show in terms of support for their rights should be carefully examined in situations such as this one.
 
Great comments btw, some points that i didnt think about.
 
Seriously the COUNTRY elected her and a group of idiots killed her. Think before you post!

You mean Al-Qaeda? A group that holds support in Pakistan and who Pakistan has failed to do anything about? Or was it Lashkar-e-Jhangvi another group that has support in Pakistan? Which 'idiots' killed her?
 
Redress, it's one thing to say that a country is accepting of certain candidates, it's another to say that it's progressive because of their election. Acceptance and progression are not the same thing. Soviet Russia was accepting of Jews. Progressive in regards to their rights and benefits? Not really. A society like that of Pakistan's is anything BUT progressive and this move doesn't prove that they're moving in the right direction. While you see the supposed 'recognition' of transgendered people as something to be praised, I see it as nothing more than the creation of a list for future oppression. Countries and political parties who have a proven track record of racism, homophobia, antisemitism etc. with nothing to show in terms of support for their rights should be carefully examined in situations such as this one.

Did I refer to Pakistan as progressive? I said they often do not fit our stereotypes for them. This is a large, unsubtle difference. Straw men are still weak debate tactics.
 
Did I refer to Pakistan as progressive? I said they often do not fit our stereotypes for them. This is a large, unsubtle difference. Straw men are still weak debate tactics.

So then what are you saying? That Pakistan isn't progressive? What's the point of bringing up Benazir Bhutto as some sort of evidence that Pakistan has been wrongfully stereotyped as being backwards and non-progressive? Here do us both a favor, explain what you meant by using the example of a female president in a rabidly homophobic Muslim country.
 
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