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    Re: Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

    Great comments btw, some points that i didnt think about.
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    Re: Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How did that work out? Oh I remember now...

    Seriously the COUNTRY elected her and a group of idiots killed her. Think before you post!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Seriously the COUNTRY elected her and a group of idiots killed her. Think before you post!
    You mean Al-Qaeda? A group that holds support in Pakistan and who Pakistan has failed to do anything about? Or was it Lashkar-e-Jhangvi another group that has support in Pakistan? Which 'idiots' killed her?
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    Re: Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Redress, it's one thing to say that a country is accepting of certain candidates, it's another to say that it's progressive because of their election. Acceptance and progression are not the same thing. Soviet Russia was accepting of Jews. Progressive in regards to their rights and benefits? Not really. A society like that of Pakistan's is anything BUT progressive and this move doesn't prove that they're moving in the right direction. While you see the supposed 'recognition' of transgendered people as something to be praised, I see it as nothing more than the creation of a list for future oppression. Countries and political parties who have a proven track record of racism, homophobia, antisemitism etc. with nothing to show in terms of support for their rights should be carefully examined in situations such as this one.
    Did I refer to Pakistan as progressive? I said they often do not fit our stereotypes for them. This is a large, unsubtle difference. Straw men are still weak debate tactics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Did I refer to Pakistan as progressive? I said they often do not fit our stereotypes for them. This is a large, unsubtle difference. Straw men are still weak debate tactics.
    So then what are you saying? That Pakistan isn't progressive? What's the point of bringing up Benazir Bhutto as some sort of evidence that Pakistan has been wrongfully stereotyped as being backwards and non-progressive? Here do us both a favor, explain what you meant by using the example of a female president in a rabidly homophobic Muslim country.
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    Re: Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So then what are you saying? That Pakistan isn't progressive? What's the point of bringing up Benazir Bhutto as some sort of evidence that Pakistan has been wrongfully stereotyped as being backwards and non-progressive? Here do us both a favor, explain what you meant by using the example of a female president in a rabidly homophobic Muslim country.
    I meant exactly what I said, nothing more, nothing less. The only way to be confused by my words would be to try and add extra meaning to them.
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    Re: Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I meant exactly what I said, nothing more, nothing less. The only way to be confused by my words would be to try and add extra meaning to them.
    So then you had no point in bringing up Benazir Bhutto? Good to know. You should be honest with your words next time. If you have no intended purpose other than to bring up Benazir Bhutto as some sort of proof that Pakistan has been wrongfully labeled as unprogressive then you should have said so. Or are we to believe that the election of a female president is something that is 'progressive' in a country where women are still regularly killed in honor killings by their husbands? No, the election of Benazir Bhutto is related to her heritage. Not the realities of gender relations in Pakistan.
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    Re: Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

    Redress is right. Though it is not right to call this "progressive" in the typical sense of the word (it is certainly seems progressive for the transgendered community in Pakistan, if not the homosexual community), but it is certainly a case of a foreign country defying American stereotypes. In many Asian cultures recognition of a third gender is an ancient distinction, going back to antiquity, so transgendered people may not be regarded in the same way as they are in western societies where the third gender has been viewed as much more strictly binary.

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    Re: Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So then you had no point in bringing up Benazir Bhutto? Good to know. You should be honest with your words next time. If you have no intended purpose other than to bring up Benazir Bhutto as some sort of proof that Pakistan has been wrongfully labeled as unprogressive then you should have said so. Or are we to believe that the election of a female president is something that is 'progressive' in a country where women are still regularly killed in honor killings by their husbands? No, the election of Benazir Bhutto is related to her heritage. Not the realities of gender relations in Pakistan.
    Again you try and make my words into something they are not. Keep building those straw men, it's fun to watch.
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    Re: Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Redress is right. Though it is not right to call this "progressive" in the typical sense of the word (it is certainly seems progressive for the transgendered community in Pakistan, if not the homosexual community), but it is certainly a case of a foreign country defying American stereotypes. In many Asian cultures recognition of a third gender is an ancient distinction, going back to antiquity, so transgendered people may not be regarded in the same way as they are in western societies where the third gender has been viewed as much more strictly binary.
    I'm not sure they're defying any stereotypes yet. In the case of Pakistan I think it would be far better to see what is done with this list, should anybody be willing to put themselves on it.
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