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    Re: Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    which is why it makes no sense......i don't understand this at all. it makes no sense on it's face, and i wouldn't fall for it, were i transgendered or otherwise.
    It does feel like they are making a list of some sorts, I don't know any trans people who would want to be classified as trans, but just male or female.
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    Re: Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

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    james has no idea about transgenderism. He just spews uninformed nastiness.
    Nothing uninformed or nasty about what I say. I just believe it is highly unethical for any medical professional or even so called medical professional such a quack to facilitate the mental illness of someone. If you are born a man then you will always be a man regardless of what greedy doctor you got to cut off or modify your genitalia and some quack to prescribe hormone pills. If a guy came into your office says he believes he is a duck trapped in human's body you would try every thing you can to help cure that person,but if he says he a woman trapped in a man's body you would facilitate that mental illness instead of actually curing him. And I am pretty sure that you will claim that facilitating the mental illness of someone who has gender identity disorder is different that someone with species identity disorder disorder or that letting a mentally ill person have their sexual organs chopped off or mutilated and regular hormone therapy is not facilitating someone's mental disorder.
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    Re: Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I agree. This is EXTREMELY progressive for a Muslim country.
    Pakistan has also twice elected Benazir Bhutto as Prime Minister. She is a woman. Muslim countries often do not fit our stereotypes.
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    Re: Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The way you describe transgendered people shows a total lack of understanding how they actually feel and conduct themselves.

    I see the need for concern, though. Hopefully Pakistan isn't up to something sinister.
    This ignores the whole point of jamesrage's post. It's a HORRIBLE idea to allow a country that is rife with homophobia to essentially 'register' all of its transgendered individuals. Though the case James cited would be better validated by attempts to register minorities in the past (ie. Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia etc), the importance of his point is still valid. Transgendered people are still seen in a negative light in Middle Eastern countries. This new move to "include them" should be looked at with extreme caution.
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    Re: Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

    I intend no insensitivity in the following...

    There are estimates that .25% to 1% of the U.S. population fits the definition of "transgendered". If we assume the same percentages hold true for Pakistan, then approximately 169,708.300 of the estimated 169,708,300 total population (as of 2009) would be transgendered (on the high end). If I'm a leader of a country or state and I want to recognize the identities of the transgendered and give them a voice, I would legislate that they may process legal documents to officially have their sexual identity changed (pending psychological review to insure that the person is making the decision with a sound mind, and understands the permanence of the change). The identity would then be "male" or "female".

    If, on the other hand, I run a muslim country through religious dictate, I would likely want to remove these people from the population on the basis of the Koran's intolerance and my subservience to Allah. I would therefore allow them to classify themselves as "transgendered" not out of tolerance, but out of ease of identifying "when the time comes". Kind of like the Star of David on Anne Frank's blouse, or the big red "A" on Hester Prynne's bodice.
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    Re: Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Pakistan has also twice elected Benazir Bhutto as Prime Minister. She is a woman. Muslim countries often do not fit our stereotypes.
    that's true, but i think her name and family history had much to do with that. not that she wasn't an impressive woman, btw.

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    Re: Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Pakistan has also twice elected Benazir Bhutto as Prime Minister. She is a woman. Muslim countries often do not fit our stereotypes.
    How did that work out? Oh I remember now...

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    Re: Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How did that work out? Oh I remember now...

    The acts of a few people is not the same thing as a country that could, not once but twice, elect her to office.
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    Re: Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

    WTF??? if you are transgendered don't/shouldn't you identify with the gender you "transed" into? is it really necessary for you to broadcast to the world "I used to be a man" or "I used to be a woman"?

    If you are transgender and you have "made the adjustments" then you are no longer your previous gender.

    If you've got boobs and a kitty, you are a woman... regardless of what equipment you were born with.

    OTOH, if you are a transvestite then, in the spirit of truth in advertising, you should let people know, "hey, I may look like a hot chick, but I am packing more meat than hillshire farms"


    However, as to the Pakistanis registering transgenders....something just doesn't add up. I, somehow, don't think the govt's motives are pure.
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    Re: Pakistan allows transsexuals to have own gender category (video)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The acts of a few people is not the same thing as a country that could, not once but twice, elect her to office.
    Redress, it's one thing to say that a country is accepting of certain candidates, it's another to say that it's progressive because of their election. Acceptance and progression are not the same thing. Soviet Russia was accepting of Jews. Progressive in regards to their rights and benefits? Not really. A society like that of Pakistan's is anything BUT progressive and this move doesn't prove that they're moving in the right direction. While you see the supposed 'recognition' of transgendered people as something to be praised, I see it as nothing more than the creation of a list for future oppression. Countries and political parties who have a proven track record of racism, homophobia, antisemitism etc. with nothing to show in terms of support for their rights should be carefully examined in situations such as this one.
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