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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    This is your way of admititng that you can't provide that information. Of course we all know that by now.
    Debate over I guess.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Debate over I guess.
    Never really starts with him. Sadly.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Never really starts with him
    and yet you do go on...

    LOL!

    hey, what's in that coffee?

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Debate over
    yup

    "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

    after a month of brutal eit's in a secret prison in europe ksm "cooperated, and to an extraordinary extent"

    ksm "transformed" into langley's "preeminent source on aq"

    the 9-11 mastermind conducted "terrorist tutorials"

    "detainees in mid 2003 helped us build a list of 70 individuals---many of whom we had never heard of"

    "cross referencing material from different detainees and leveraging information from one to extract more detail from another, the cia and fbi went on to round up operatives both in the us and abroad"

    "ksm was an unparalleled source in deciphering aq's strategic doctrine, key operatives and likely targets"

    inspector general's summary, released by doj, monday preceding aug 29, 2009

    america is grateful barack the slasher hussein did NOT dismantle the anti terror tactics of dick cheney thus allowing this assassination to go down

    we're all fortunate the slasher comprehensively FAILED to push thru HIS security priorities

    USA!

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Barack the slasher hussein obama (never heard this one before) did dismantle the anti terror tactics of Dick Cheney. Waterboarding and EITs are no longer utilized. Using special operations is not a policy of the Bush Administration. They did not invent special ops.

    Who are these operatives, what is this list, and what was deciphered? Also, prove to me that it was EITs specificially that got KSM to give that information up.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Prisoners of war are released after the war ends.
    So you agree - not everyone deserves to see a trial.

    We are talking about people that cannot simply be "released". We can't detain people indefinitely.
    You contradict yourself here.

    We can't detain people indefinitely. It doesn't work that way.
    Sure it does. If WW2 was still going on, every surviving German/Jap POW would still be in capativity - and not one of them would have had a trial.

    They need to see military tribunals
    The boy who was captured by US troops while engaged in combat doesn't.
    He was captured in combat. There's nothing to put hom on trial for.
    That's it - end of story.
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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    So you agree - not everyone deserves to see a trial.


    You contradict yourself here.


    Sure it does. If WW2 was still going on, every surviving German/Jap POW would still be in capativity - and not one of them would have had a trial.


    The boy who was captured by US troops while engaged in combat doesn't.
    He was captured in combat. There's nothing to put hom on trial for.
    That's it - end of story.
    You're not understanding what I mean. Of course you can't put them on trial for anything in the case of someone fighting a war against us. Fighting a war is an honorable thing for one's nation. In this case, we are dealing with a stateless enemy. They are terrorists plain and simple. You deal with a stateless terrorist the same way you'd deal with any other terrorist (alla McVeigh) and put them on trial then send them to a supermax facility.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Senate Votes 90 to 6 To Block Funds For Guantanamo Closure

    Obama, in Europe, signs Patriot Act extension - US news - Security - msnbc.com

    Obama Administration Continues Indefinite Detention Policy For Prisoners | American Civil Liberties Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Who are these operatives, what is this list, and what was deciphered?
    holder's ig didn't say

    all he told us was:

    "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

    after a month of brutal eit's in a secret prison in europe ksm "cooperated, and to an extraordinary extent"

    ksm "transformed" into langley's "preeminent source on aq"

    the 9-11 mastermind conducted "terrorist tutorials"

    "detainees in mid 2003 helped us build a list of 70 individuals---many of whom we had never heard of"

    "cross referencing material from different detainees and leveraging information from one to extract more detail from another, the cia and fbi went on to round up operatives both in the us and abroad"

    "ksm was an unparalleled source in deciphering aq's strategic doctrine, key operatives and likely targets"

    i wonder why holder's ig didn't offer more

    LOL!

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    You're not understanding what I mean.
    You seem to be pretty clear - Everyone desreves a trial.

    Of course you can't put them on trial for anything in the case of someone fighting a war against us.
    So.... not everyone deserves a trial? You aren't being clear.

    In this case, we are dealing with a stateless enemy. They are terrorists plain and simple.
    The boy is held because he was captured in combat against US forces. Plain and simple.
    There's nothing to put him on trial for.
    That's it - end of story.

    You deal with a stateless terrorist the same way you'd deal with any other terrorist (alla McVeigh) and put them on trial then send them to a supermax facility.
    MVeigh was executed.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    You deal with a stateless terrorist the same way you'd deal with any other terrorist (alla [sic] McVeigh) and put them on trial then send them to a supermax facility.
    LOL!

    what america are you living in?

    certainly not barack the slasher hussein's

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