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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    Not provided by you, but it doesn't quite say what you claim.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    yup, it's provided by the ig and endorsed by holder

    LOL!

    and it says:

    "preeminent source"

    "unparalleled source"

    "after his spirit was broken"

    "waterboarding elicited a lot of information"

    sorry, syd

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not following you, but point is, what we have written from studies, clearly spell out that torture is not effective for gatheirng information. Torture isn't new. We didn't just now invent waterboarding or any of these things. The research has been done, so I suggests there's a much simplier reason why no one has been able to give much if anything concerning details of what we got through torture. We didn't get much. Reasonable people would like say, "That's it? You broke the law, tortured innocent people, and that's all we got?"

    Better for them to be vague and merely make claims.
    What I'm saying is the research doesn't show what you're saying it shows. That's all. Waterboarding can be effective in certain situations. I'm sure torture could be too. I don't understand the resistance you're giving to that concept, it doesn't seem to make much sense.
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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanten Janubi View Post
    Federal law enforcement is very different from intelligence collection, though.
    That's not the point. I do work in similar situations, and my work overlaps with counter terrorism all the time. I'm not some joke from the BIA who protects the sovereignty of Indian reservations. I've arrested people who are/were suspected of terrorism. That said, intelligence collection is not the case here. The case here is whether or not torture works as an interrogation technique, which, as I have said, it does not. I really hate how all of the people who seem to argue for torture in this thread continuously ignore every single point I make and just attack my credibility, or in another case, compliment me for being a law enforcement officer (not what i was going for)
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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    yup, it's provided by the ig and endorsed by holder

    LOL!

    and it says:

    "preeminent source"

    "unparalleled source"

    "after his spirit was broken"

    "waterboarding elicited a lot of information"

    sorry, syd
    you are so going to hate this:
    A private letter from CIA chief Leon Panetta to Senator John McCain (R-AZ) confirms that the so-called enhanced interrogation techniques put in place by the Bush administration did not reveal intelligence about Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, the courier that eventually led the U.S. to Osama bin Laden.

    The letter was obtained by The Washington Post and a CIA spokesperson confirmed its authenticity.

    "Let me further point out that we first learned about the facilitator/courier’s nom de guerre from a detainee not in CIA custody in 2002," the letter stated. "It is also important to note that some detainees who were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques attempted to provide false or misleading information about the facilitator/courier. These attempts to falsify the facilitator/courier’s role were alerting."

    "In the end, no detainee in CIA custody revealed the facilitator/courier’s full true name or specific whereabouts," Panetta added. "This information was discovered through other intelligence means."
    CIA chief’s letter confirms torture did not lead to Osama bin Laden | The Raw Story
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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    panetta:

    WILLIAMS: Turned around the other way, are you denying that waterboarding was in part among the tactics used to extract the intelligence that led to this successful mission?

    PANETTA: No, I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.
    RealClearPolitics - Video - Panetta: "Open Question" If Waterboarding Helped Find Bin Laden

    the ig:

    John L. Helgerson, the former CIA inspector general who investigated the agency's detention and interrogation program, said his work did not put him in "a position to reach definitive conclusions about the effectiveness of particular interrogation methods."

    "Certain of the techniques seemed to have little effect, whereas waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information," he said in an interview.
    link above

    a preeminent source is, after all, a preeminent source

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    panetta:



    RealClearPolitics - Video - Panetta: "Open Question" If Waterboarding Helped Find Bin Laden

    the ig:



    link above

    a preeminent source is, after all, a preeminent source
    You misread the first one, and offer no examples that we can verify for the second one. Not helpful.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    that's nice

    "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information:" ig report released by ERIC HOLDER, monday preceding aug 29, 2009

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    that's nice

    "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information:" ig report released by ERIC HOLDER, monday preceding aug 29, 2009
    Repeating the claim doesn't answer me. No examples to verfiy the claim have been given.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Repeating the claim doesn't answer me
    then why don't you stamp your little feet

    LOL!

    "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information:" language endorsed by eric holder, aug, 2009

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