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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I want verifiable evidence. We ahd no problem finding and presenting evidence of where it was not effective. Look no farther than al Libi giving us misinformation that we used to justify invading Iraq. It's verifiable, documented and there for all to see. Are you suggesting that only information that disproves your position can eb given? I find that hard to beleive, if it exists.
    So you were a birther then?

    Do you want to see the photos of OBL?

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So you were a birther then?

    Do you want to see the photos of OBL?
    Nope. I saw Obam's birth certificate way back when, the legal and accepted certificate. If you could provide anything as equal, as verifiable, you'd be doing something not done yet. Again, all you have to do is match what we have of torture not working.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nope. I saw Obam's birth certificate way back when, the legal and accepted certificate. If you could provide anything as equal, as verifiable, you'd be doing something not done yet. Again, all you have to do is match what we have of torture not working.
    But there were many who didn't believe the small certificate because the serial numbers weren't there. You accepted it at face value??

    What about the photos of OBL? Will you insist on seeing those before you believe he is dead?

    Should Obama have released these photos immediately in order to satisfy skeptics like yourself?

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's verifiable, documented and there for all to see.
    yup

    the ig report

    that's why eric holder released it

    preeminent source, baby!

    but only after the eit's

    which came before the assassination

    good thinking, sydney

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But there were many who didn't believe the small certificate because the serial numbers weren't there. You accepted it at face value??

    What about the photos of OBL? Will you insist on seeing those before you believe he is dead?

    Should Obama have released these photos immediately in order to satisfy skeptics like yourself?
    Doesn't matter. It was there for all to see. Physical, verifiable, and clear. Belief never has anything to do with it.

    There is enough evidence with OBL. It was a ophysical act in which all sides, including AQ agree it happened. DNA taken. and it has much more than has been offered with EIT. All you have are people's word. No phyiscal evidence, and more importantly no examples at all. nothing anyone can look at all. And yet, you accept it without asking a single question, even with evidence that that what they've given us was wrong, factually.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It was a ophysical act in which all sides, including AQ agree it happened.
    yup, and eric holder's doj concedes eit's transformed ksm

    preeminent source---the words endorsed by the ag

    All you have are people's word.
    LOL!

    you've SEEN ubl's dna test?

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Doesn't matter. It was there for all to see. Physical, verifiable, and clear. Belief never has anything to do with it.
    No, it wasn't there for all to see. You are mistaken. That is why Obama eventually showed the necessary long form. Your criteria for acceptance of the word of politicians would seem to depend on the party they belong to. Would that be true?
    There is enough evidence with OBL.
    Such as what?
    It was a physical act in which all sides, including AQ agree it happened.
    So you'll accept the statement of known terrorists before you accept the word of your own government? The United States has changed dramatically since they fought together in WWII. I doubt many Americans would have used Tojo or Hitler for references.
    DNA taken.
    Did you see it taken?

    and it has much more than has been offered with EIT. All you have are people's word. No phyiscal evidence, and more importantly no examples at all. nothing anyone can look at all. And yet, you accept it without asking a single question, even with evidence that that what they've given us was wrong, factually.
    The same is true on OBL. Just people's word. But you seem to find the word of some people more reliable than others, and dependent entirely on their party affiliation.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, it wasn't there for all to see. You are mistaken. That is why Obama eventually showed the necessary long form. Your criteria for acceptance of the word of politicians would seem to depend on the party they belong to. Would that be true?
    But it was. Obama met the same standard as every other candidate. It was there to be seen.

    Such as what?
    Soliders, family, admission from AQ, DNA, pictures that have been seen by some, so on and so forth. It isn't a claim without any example given or anythign that can be verified by anyone.

    So you'll accept the statement of known terrorists before you accept the word of your own government? The United States has changed dramatically since they fought together in WWII. I doubt many Americans would have used Tojo or Hitler for references.
    Gioes against insterest. Yes. They are part of the picture. if it were just them, and they had an interest in making us think he was dead, no. But that's not the case now is it?


    Did you see it taken?
    Don't have to. There is a chain of evidence and not likley to honestly doubted.

    The same is true on OBL. Just people's word. But you seem to find the word of some people more reliable than others, and dependent entirely on their party affiliation.
    Wrong again. Not just one groups word, but mulitple peoples. Not just the US interrogators, but with OBL, the government, soliders, aq, relatives, and so on. Surely you can see the dfiference?

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Soliders, family, admission from AQ
    yup, it's a lot like the agents and ig's and ag's, as well as the concession from doj

    eit's, baby---they transformed ksm from avowed and truculent enemy to langley's preeminent source

    Gioes (sic) against insterest.
    just like eric holder on eit's

    Surely you can see the dfiference (sic)?
    LOL!

    think much?

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    yup, it's a lot like the agents and ig's and ag's, as well as the concession from doj

    eit's, baby---they transformed ksm from avowed and truculent enemy to langley's preeminent source



    just like eric holder on eit's



    LOL!

    think much?
    I don't expect you to think too much as I scare you so. But, it isn't agaisnt holder's interest. That's just a fact.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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