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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Prof, you have no idea what you're talking about. Wiretapping stopped years ago, when the Deputy AG refused to sign off on it and the FBI director threatened to resign because of it.

    He did undo the terror policies of his predecessor. No new detainees have gone to gitmo.

    There is no information from any of these people. Please re-read all of the posts I made on the last few pages. I doubt you will though. Most typical fringe conservative just ignore anything that counters what they say.
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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    LOL!

    few care what you do or don't expect
    You clearly care. I can tell by your repeated posts to me.

    And no, the intel we got was much too far removed from the EIT for them to have played any role. You really ahve to suspend disbelief to accept that tortured logic that it was the EITs that gots this nearly a year later, but not while they were using them.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    ERIC HOLDER suspended disbelief?

    LOL!

    how absurd

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Wiretapping stopped years ago
    Phone Call by Kuwaiti Courier Led to Bin Laden - ABC News

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Can't speak for the left, but the old McCain had a lot of good qualities. His appeasement of the far right hurt him, as did his vice presidential cadidate.

    But, he does know something about torture, and always rightly spoke against it.

    Actually, while all this was going on, John McCain was on the Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee and Indian Affairs.

    Not to say the man isn't a patriot but he wasn't really in the inner circle and, as far as I know, he has never been waterboarded.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    All you have to do is present verifiable intel we actually got. We know that we got the OBL intel long after KSM was tortured, so you ahve to torture logic to believe EIT got us that intel.
    You seem quick enough to defend John McCain's point of view but not those who were actually directly involved.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Yup. That's not domestic illegal wiretapping. Read the actual article. Especially the part saying Mohammed talked under normal interrogation but made up names under coerced. I love how you totally ignored my post. Typical right wing fringe poster.

    John McCain was put through worse than waterboarding. He said himself that he named the starting line of the greenbay packers to stop the torture when they asked for members of his unit.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    but jim ringo wasn't the courier's nom de guerre

    These scenes provide previously unpublicized details about the transformation of the man known to U.S. officials as KSM from an avowed and truculent enemy of the United States into what the CIA called its "preeminent source" on al-Qaeda. This reversal occurred after Mohammed was subjected to simulated drowning and prolonged sleep deprivation, among other harsh interrogation techniques.

    "KSM, an accomplished resistor, provided only a few intelligence reports prior to the use of the waterboard, and analysis of that information revealed that much of it was outdated, inaccurate or incomplete," according to newly unclassified portions of a 2004 report by the CIA's then-inspector general released Monday by the Justice Department.

    The evidence is clear: Mohammed cooperated, and to an extraordinary extent, only when his spirit was broken in the month after his capture March 1, 2003, as the inspector general's report and other documents released this week indicate.

    "Certain of the techniques seemed to have little effect, whereas waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information," [CIA Inspector General John Helgerson] said in an interview. Cross-referencing material from different detainees, and leveraging information from one to extract more detail from another, the CIA and FBI went on to round up operatives both in the United States and abroad.

    "Detainees in mid-2003 helped us build a list of 70 individuals -- many of whom we had never heard of before -- that al-Qaeda deemed suitable for Western operations," according to the CIA summary. Mohammed was an unparalleled source in deciphering al-Qaeda's strategic doctrine, key operatives and likely targets, the summary said, including describing in "considerable detail the traits and profiles" that al-Qaeda sought in Western operatives and how the terrorist organization might conduct surveillance in the United States.
    How a Detainee Became An Asset - washingtonpost.com

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Why would people argue about this as if they had even close to the requisite information to come to any type of conclusion?
    A history of knowledge will not make us clever for the next time, but wise forever.
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