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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Please tell me your joking right...



    Please oh please oh please tell me your joking....
    Another hoax you fell for. Thought so.
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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Still no response to article 4 and 5 of the GC.
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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Still no response to article 4 and 5 of the GC.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Still no response to article 4 and 5 of the GC.
    it really doesn't answer the question. I'm not involved in that discussion with you, but what you quoted doesn't prove your point. I was hoping you make a better link.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    I mean no response from credible posters. Someone besides my tag along wipping boy.
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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    I mean no response from credible posters. Someone besides my tag along wipping boy.
    Tell yourself what you ahve to, but I notice you don't answer.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Sure Iraq probably had small amounts of chemicals which has been revealed by WikiLeaks cables but "very small amount". Not close enough to start production again.
    You apparently are being obtuse or what?

    Its called GWOT. Global War on Terrorism, not on GLOBAL WAR ON AL AQEADA.

    Any nation which harbors or supports terrorists is an enemy (strong potential at least).Saddam had supported terrorists for years, allowing them to train in Iraq, supplying them with money and weapons, and openly paying the families of suicide bombers in Palestine $25,000 for every "martyr". Al Qaeda was a minor presence in Iraq and was never portrayed as anything else.

    Iraq had violated 17 (I think it was that many) UN resolutions that he was required to follow after GW1. He would not verify that all WMDs had been accounted for and destroyed and the programs dismantled. He refused to allow inspectors to inspect where they wanted to.

    The freakin math is simple. He had WMDs that he had used before. He refused to account for the ones he had after 1991 and there was evidence of ongoing weapons programs. He had previously supplied terrorists, had no reason to like us, and now that terrorist activity had stepped up against CONUS, the possibility of some of those unaccounted WMDs being given to terrorists was too great a risk.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    I mean no response from credible posters. Someone besides my tag along wipping boy.
    It looks to me as if you are the whipping boy. You don't answer, even when given the answer.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It looks to me as if you are the whipping boy. You don't answer, even when given the answer.
    I don't respond to him.

    Now, articles 4 and 5 of the GC III. Anytime.
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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    This information was not learned through waterboarding, let's first make that clear. Waterboarding has not been carried out since around 2003/2004. Though I am a liberal, I am no partisan person. My views go all over the place. I am willing to recognize the fact that methods of interrogations that are somewhat cruel, like forcing the detainee to take truth serum, sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation, etc, can be effective methods, because these cause the detainee to lose control of their actions and not think straight. Any method in which the detainee's only incentive for talking is stopping pain is not going to work. The suspect will say anything to stop the pain and that's it. Torture is not a good method of interrogation. Talk to any person who actually works on the ground and deals with these suspects. I know dozens of them, and I have seen first hand that using these types of methods are not effective (not in an anti terrorism situation, but I have seen regular police officers use brutal interrogation techniques and get no where, etc.) and you can look for yourself at tons of television interviews, opeds, etc. Look up Ali Soufan especially. They will tell you with 100% certainty that torture is not effective and that's it. In this case, if you actually look into the story, we learned about the courier because the two detainees lied under harsh methods. My guess is that since this happened in 2007, waterboarding was most certainly not used. I'm guessing it was stress positions, stomach smacks, etc. They said during the interrogation they heard of the courier but as far as they know he is not important. This led our intelligence community to work this lead out and realize, ok, they are lying to us. That's when we used simple espionage, and found Bin Laden. This has nothing to do with Jack Bauer cutting peoples' limbs off to get them to talk. This was a case of real intelligence and good old fashioned police work if you want to say that. As for the geneva convention, waterboarding is most certainly torture. Sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation, forced truth serums, I don't think so. If you want to argue those things are torture, then you'd have to say that turning up the heat in an interview room to "sweat" the target is torture.

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