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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You actually ahve to prove that. Not just that they got the information (which was kind of something that led to something that led to something that led to something, and not a direct link), but that they would not have gotten the information any other way. Like much of what has been presented as evidence, we may well learn we knew of the person before we got the intel via immoral and illegal torture.
    LOL, keep clinging to that thread..

    Obama's greatest presidential feat will be solely and competely the result of the actions of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Guantanamo Bay, continuous waterboarding and torture, the CIA, and Secret Ops.

    I know that's hard to accept for some, but it's absolute and true.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    LOL, keep clinging to that thread..

    Obama's greatest presidential feat will be solely and competely the result of the actions of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Guantanamo Bay, continuous waterboarding and torture, the CIA, and Secret Ops.

    I know that's hard to accept for some, but it's absolute and true.
    Prove that. i know you want to BELIEVE that. but you actually have to prove it to convince anyone not a faithful.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    LOL, keep clinging to that thread..

    Obama's greatest presidential feat will be solely and competely the result of the actions of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Guantanamo Bay, continuous waterboarding and torture, the CIA, and Secret Ops.

    I know that's hard to accept for some, but it's absolute and true.
    I'll be happy to believe this, as soon as you provide evidence.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    EIT's led directly to the information that brought Osama to justice.

    None of you lefties will ever admit it but you know it's true.

    What intelligence are we missing out on since 0bama decided to treat terrorists under the UCMJ?
    I thought it was through a monitored cell phone call...


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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Ralph Nader? Are you kidding? What a joke!!

    Please answer the question you keep ignoring.

    When have captured POW's, much less terrorist, ever had US constituional rights?
    Captured enemy combatants are subject to the geneva convention. They have rights to fair and humane treatment.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Prove that. i know you want to BELIEVE that. but you actually have to prove it to convince anyone not a faithful.
    Bush-Era Interrogations Provided Key Details on Bin Laden's Location - FoxNews.com

    I know you'll dismiss this because it's "Fox News" (which gets far more right than the other big outlets), but ABC News reported the same thing yesterday. Most of the liberal media is avoiding this truth like the plague right now hoping for some way to spin it, but it won't work. Any logical American knows EXACTLY what put us on his trail.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Some reading I ran across:

    Surveillance, Not Waterboarding, Led to bin Laden

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    If this timeline is correct — and there may be a lot of adjustment to it in the days and years to come — then that means waterboarding and other abusive techniques failed to get the name out of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Abu Faraj al-Libbi. A New York Times account has both men claiming not to know even the courier’s nom de guerre, which actually may have counted as a kind of confirmation by omission in this case. That says something about the limits of brute force in interrogation.

    Surveillance, Not Waterboarding, Led to bin Laden | Danger Room | Wired.com


    OBAMA OFFICIAL: Bin Laden Intelligence NOT The Result Of Waterboarding

    Read more: OBAMA OFFICIAL: Bin Laden Intelligence NOT The Result Of Waterboarding

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Bush-Era Interrogations Provided Key Details on Bin Laden's Location - FoxNews.com

    I know you'll dismiss this because it's "Fox News" (which gets far more right than the other big outlets), but ABC News reported the same thing yesterday. Most of the liberal media is avoiding this truth like the plague right now hoping for some way to spin it, but it won't work. Any logical American knows EXACTLY what put us on his trail.
    I answer this above. It played a minor role, and was likely not gathered under torture.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Ralph Nader? Are you kidding? What a joke!!

    Please answer the question you keep ignoring.

    When have captured POW's, much less terrorist, ever had US constituional rights?
    Reps. Jerrold Nadler (N.Y.), Donna Edwards (Md.), Mike Capuano (Mass.), Dennis Kucinich (Ohio), Maxine Waters (Calif.), Rob Andrews (N.J.), Sheila Jackson Lee (Texas), Barbara Lee (Calif.) and Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D.C.)
    A Congressman Calls For Obama’s Impeachment…and He’s a Democrat! | The Blaze

    When have captured POW's, much less terrorist, ever had US constituional rights?
    Its given rights to spies, Mexican bandits, pirates....

    Also this is an interesting article:
    Do Noncitizens Have Constitutional Rights? - Chris Suellentrop - Slate Magazine


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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Ralph Nader? Are you kidding? What a joke!!

    Please answer the question you keep ignoring.

    When have captured POW's, much less terrorist, ever had US constituional rights?
    Reps. Jerrold Nadler (N.Y.), Donna Edwards (Md.), Mike Capuano (Mass.), Dennis Kucinich (Ohio), Maxine Waters (Calif.), Rob Andrews (N.J.), Sheila Jackson Lee (Texas), Barbara Lee (Calif.) and Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D.C.)
    A Congressman Calls For Obama’s Impeachment…and He’s a Democrat! | The Blaze

    When have captured POW's, much less terrorist, ever had US constituional rights?
    Its given rights to spies, Mexican bandits, pirates....

    Also this is an interesting article:
    Do Noncitizens Have Constitutional Rights? - Chris Suellentrop - Slate Magazine


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