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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, we imprison too many peope for lawyers?
    Not at all...but, how about we legislate a ban on lawyers becoming legislators, ...because having lawyers write laws is a conflict of interest.

    Think about it...

    None of what you said changes anything. We need to abide by rule of law. If we can dismiss rule of law, then we have no law, and we are not the glowing light of the world so many want to see us as.
    I stopped worrying about what's illegal vs. what's legal and streamlined my thought process to only worry about what might create a situation where I run afoul of the system. In effect, I started to think like a *criminal*. ...And I'm a guy with a strong desire to achieve good things in the American system.

    If the current system doesn't work for me, who is it supposed to work for?

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

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    Not at all...but, how about we legislate a ban on lawyers becoming legislators, ...because having lawyers write laws is a conflict of interest.

    Think about it...
    How? Lawyers know the law, so they would be the people to write them. A mechanic shouldn't design cars because they ahve a conflict of interest? I'm sorry, but I don't see it.

    I stopped worrying about what's illegal vs. what's legal and streamlined my thought process to only worry about what might create a situation where I run afoul of the system. In effect, I started to think like a *criminal*. ...And I'm a guy with a strong desire to achieve good things in the American system.

    If the current system doesn't work for me, who is it supposed to work for?
    Criminal sytem? The innocent. You seem to be changing the subject, but I'm not really following you.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post

    How? Lawyers know the law, so they would be the people to write them. A mechanic shouldn't design cars because they ahve a conflict of interest? I'm sorry, but I don't see it.
    What I'm saying is that at some point in time the law got so complex that we needed lawyers to interpret it for us. It's not coincidental that virtually all politicians are now lawyers. Lawyers are a symptom.

    This legal system in one way or another, mandates every aspect of day to day life to a point where its an irritable weight on the average citizen. Want to build a fence in your backyard? Talk to a lawyer. Want to start a business? You had better talk to a lawyer. Problem with your neighbor? Better talk to a lawyer. Have a great idea for a better neocon trap? Better talk to a lawyer. It's silly and doesn't work for, the average Joe Blow. ....It turns out, the lawyers are running the government and making all the rules and to make things worse, the same experts (lawyers) have to write the rules (laws) to try and keep other lawyers from finding loopholes.


    Reason why, the American judicial system is crumbling under its own weight. By definition, the citizenry of this country can't be "law abiding" because the law is complex to the point of being unintelligible. It takes a lawyer with a PhD to understand just one small section of what the law says. And even these guyd are arguing about it all the time... Philosophically, if you cannot understand a system, how can you be held accountable for not transgressing against that system?
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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    What I'm saying is that at some point in time the law got so complex that we needed lawyers to interpret it for us. It's not coincidental that virtually all politicians are now lawyers. Lawyers are a symptom.

    This legal system in one way or another, mandates every aspect of day to day life to a point where its an irritable weight on the average citizen. Want to build a fence in your backyard? Talk to a lawyer. Want to start a business? You had better talk to a lawyer. Problem with your neighbor? Better talk to a lawyer. Have a great idea for a better neocon trap? Better talk to a lawyer. It's silly and doesn't work for, the average Joe Blow. ....It turns out, the lawyers are running the government and making all the rules and to make things worse, the same experts (lawyers) have to write the rules (laws) to try and keep other lawyers from finding loopholes.


    Reason why, the American judicial system is crumbling under its own weight. By definition, the citizenry of this country can't be "law abiding" because the law is complex to the point of being unintelligible. It takes a lawyer with a PhD to understand just one small section of what the law says. And even these guyd are arguing about it all the time... Philosophically, if you cannot understand a system, how can you be held accountable for not transgressing against that system?
    Ric27 this is about the best post I have read in a long time and you are so right. Laws used to be as you stated very simple and easy to understand started with the ten commandments on up to the Constitution. Now you need a lawyer just to havethem interpret gaming rules for a contest.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Like immigration, the system is broken, a problem exists and we need to redefine how things work.
    I,ld pretty much agree here. I think pretty much everyone would agree that if we are detaining the innocent and releasing the guilty then we have a problem that needs fixing. The question is how should things work?

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Ric27 this is about the best post I have read in a long time and you are so right. Laws used to be as you stated very simple and easy to understand started with the ten commandments on up to the Constitution. Now you need a lawyer just to havethem interpret gaming rules for a contest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    I,ld pretty much agree here. I think pretty much everyone would agree that if we are detaining the innocent and releasing the guilty then we have a problem that needs fixing. The question is how should things work?
    First thing is we (as in We the people)... is term limits for all elected public officials. Two terms each at the local, state, and federal level should do the trick. You take the professional politicians and lawyers out of the legislative system, and government becomes fundamentally less complex.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Were not arguing that Obama is going to close Gitmo buddy.
    This is not a repub/dem issue we are arguing about Gitmo not how the parties plan and what they do with gitmo
    Not a "repub/dem" issue? Since when has that been the case?

    I'll answer that for you. Since 0bama adopted Bush's Gitmo policies.

    Not long ago dems were trashing Bush about a policy they quietly agreed with.
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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes the do sir.
    Since when has that been the case?

    When has that ever happened before?
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Continuing to ignore these questions speaks for itself DS.

    BTW, shouldn't you be arguing that 0bama be arrested and prosecuted for violating HI law because he publically released his original BC?
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Not a "repub/dem" issue? Since when has that been the case?

    I'll answer that for you. Since 0bama adopted Bush's Gitmo policies.

    Not long ago dems were trashing Bush about a policy they quietly agreed with.
    Right now this is not a Repub/dem issue.... This is about human rights and the issue of justice, and law. Clearly not a repub/dem issues because each side does not represent yes we should keep it open and no we should close it. A small majority of dems want to close it the rest wish it to remain open...
    A good majority of dems/liberals/leftist are condemning Obama's decision to keep GITMO open...


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