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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    No, what I'm saying is that the Constitution does not ban us from doing so.
    if we signed a treaty prohibiting it (we did) and that treaty was approved Constitutionally (it was) then we are bound to the terms of the approved treaty

    here is the Constitutional language you seem to be needing:
    Article VI

    All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

    This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land
    ; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

    The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    No, what I'm saying is that the Constitution does not ban us from doing so.

    Would torture fall under cruel and unusual punishment? Oh i forgot that does not apply to them?

    Whatever happened to the "US does not torture"?


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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Lack of prosecution does not equal no law having been broken.
    you mean holder and barack the slasher CONDONE it?

    LOL!

    torture?

    wow, this party in power has really peddled the pooch

    i mean, there's gitmo and civil trials (in downtown new york) and the patriot act and detention and rendition...

    and now TORTURE!

    so much for changing america's image abroad, apparently

    hey, it was a nice campaign slogan, at least

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if we signed a treaty prohibiting it (we did) and that treaty was approved Constitutionally (it was) then we are bound to the terms of the approved treaty

    here is the Constitutional language you seem to be needing: [bold emphasis added for the reading-impaired]
    The constitution enforces treaties. Treaties may contain any number of things. The constitution, however, does not change to include text regarding the treaty's contents.

    If, for example, a treaty were drafted which states that all US military must wear pink hats on the battle field as part of a new set of rules of engagement then, once signed, constitutionally we are obligated to uphold the treaty. Wearing pink hats on the battle field does not become part of the constitution at that time.
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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    you mean holder and barack the slasher CONDONE it?

    LOL!

    torture?

    wow, this party in power has really peddled the pooch

    i mean, there's gitmo and civil trials (in downtown new york) and the patriot act and detention and rendition...

    and now TORTURE!

    so much for changing america's image abroad, apparently

    hey, it was a nice campaign slogan, at least

    party on, progressives

    be proud
    condone it? where have they condone it? Lack of prosecution means none of that.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The constitution enforces treaties. Treaties may contain any number of things. The constitution, however, does not change to include text regarding the treaty's contents.

    If, for example, a treaty were drafted which states that all US military must wear pink hats on the battle field as part of a new set of rules of engagement then, once signed, constitutionally we are obligated to uphold the treaty. Wearing pink hats on the battle field does not become part of the constitution at that time.
    no, the Constitution does not enforce anything
    yes, treaties may contain anything
    but the treaties which bind us will only contain the language authorized by the US government
    which means the geneva conventions "shall be the supreme law of the land"
    the Constitution says so
    if you refuse to believe it, read it below

    Article VI

    All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

    This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

    The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
    i have become tired of responding to your nonsensical posts
    don't expect further reply
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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Lack of prosecution means none of that.
    a CRIME?

    like TORTURE?

    NOT prosecuted?

    my, my, what have we come to

    next thing ya hear, we'll be keeping people in gitmo forever, hauling em up before military tribunals, extending the most pernicious provisions of the patriot act...

    and:

    Extraordinary Rendition Obama - Obama preserves renditions as counter-terrorism tool - Los Angeles Times

    very disappointing

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Yes, redition is disappointing. I do feverently disagree with him there. But he has not condoned torture.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I do feverently disagree with him there
    who cares

    he has not condoned torture
    bottom line---inaction

    grow up

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    who cares



    bottom line---inaction

    grow up
    Does he allow us to torture? Hasn't he clearly stated torturing is illegal?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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