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Boo Radley said:
it is overall not effective
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inspector general of the cia: "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

to which ERIC HOLDER signed off

sorry, sydney

relying on reasoning without the facts is like bringing knifes to gunfights
 
The Prof said:
inspector general of the cia: "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

to which ERIC HOLDER signed off

sorry, sydney

relying on reasoning without the facts is like bringing knifes to gunfights
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Again, show some intel we got from it. Anything. Anything at all. That would be a start. :coffeepap
 
LOL!

you're still starting?

the ig and the ag have CONCLUDED:

"waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"
 
The Prof said:
LOL!

you're still starting?

the ig and the ag have CONCLUDED:

"waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"
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So, you can't. Of course I knew you couldn't because nothing has been offered. I have shown you verifiable and known misinformation we got from EIT. I've shown that other claims by Cheney and others proved false. And yet, you just accept the claim, no questions. I understand. But, the fact is, yu have not provided what i asked for. :coffeepap
 
LOL!

eric holder accepted the claim, sydney:

"waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"
 
The Prof said:
LOL!

eric holder accepted the claim, sydney:

"waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"
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Again, you have not provided what I've asked for. Don't be so scared of me that you can't admit that there is no such evidence out there for us to see.
 
plenty of evidence for ERIC HOLDER to see

is he scared too?

LOL!
 
The Prof said:
plenty of evidence for ERIC HOLDER to see

is he scared too?

LOL!
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As i said in the other thread, I'm asking you. Present the evidence if you have or admit that there isn't any we have access to. :coffeepap
 
you really expect THE CIA to provide YOU with details?

LOL!

that's astonishingly stupid, syd

you're just gonna have to be satisfied with langley's unequivocal assertion that ksm became the "preeminent source"

unless, of course, eric holder is LYING

think much?
 
The Prof said:
you really expect THE CIA to provide YOU with details?

LOL!

that's astonishingly stupid, syd

you're just gonna have to be satisfied with langley's unequivocal assertion that ksm became the "preeminent source"

unless, of course, eric holder is LYING

think much?
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We got the details of the misinformation. Seriously, liars always use the excuse that we can't be trusted to know. Surely there is a way to show the effectiveness. I try not to rely simply on trust. :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
No corner. A broke clock is right twice a day, but we wouldn't say it effectively keeps the time. And I have never used the word never. It would be legally and morally wrong even if effective, but as it is overall not effective, that means it is also not smart to use it.

For the record, I've listened to Limbaugh, and as a kid, I went to the Baptist church camps every summer. ;)

:coffeepap
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But, overall, it is effective in very specific and limited situations. So what's the argument?
 
Boo Radley said:
liars always use the excuse that we can't be trusted to know
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absolutely

that's why ERIC HOLDER published the report containing the assessment, "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

holder must be lying

probably trying to make dick cheney LOOK GOOD

LOL!

think much?
 
The Prof said:
absolutely

that's why ERIC HOLDER published the report containing the assessment, "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"

holder must be lying

probably trying to make dick cheney LOOK GOOD

LOL!

think much?
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Keep dancing around it. I know that's the best you got. But I've asked for specifics. You know as well as I do that there have been no specifics offered. You can't match what've shown of the misinformation. :coffeepap
 
Nanten Janubi said:
But, overall, it is effective in very specific and limited situations. So what's the argument?
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Is it? Not saying never is not to say it is effective in any situation. We may have gotten something here and there, but that wouldn't make it effective anywhere. It would be a leap to conclude that it was. Instead, we'd need much more information and a very detailed study. That's why i point to existing litature on the subject, which has nearly always concluded that torture is not effective at gathering information.
 
Boo Radley said:
That's why i point to existing litature [LOL!] on the subject, which has nearly always concluded that torture is not effective at gathering information.
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ig report released by attorney general eric holder on the monday preceding aug 29, 2009: "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"
 
The Prof said:
ig report released by attorney general eric holder on the monday preceding aug 29, 2009: "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"
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give us the cite for that publication
 
The Prof said:
ig report released by attorney general eric holder on the monday preceding aug 29, 2009: "waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information"
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Again, I'm asking for specifics.
 
LOL!

"waterboarding... elicited a lot of information"

can't get much more specific than that, sydney

why would eric holder PUBLISH such a thing?
 
The Prof said:
LOL!

"waterboarding... elicited a lot of information"

can't get much more specific than that, sydney

why would eric holder PUBLISH such a thing?
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That's the claim. Now present the specific intel so we can verified that the claim is true. :coffeepap
 
claim---LOL!

it's the CONCLUSION of the inspector general of the cia

which eric holder's dept of justice released to the world on the monday preceding aug 29

"waterboarding elicted a lot of information"

sorry

think much?
 
The Prof said:
claim---LOL!

it's the CONCLUSION of the inspector general of the cia

which eric holder's dept of justice released to the world on the monday preceding aug 29

"waterboarding elicted a lot of information"

sorry

think much?
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Is it. Show the IG report. And does the CIA have any interest in this lookign effective? Wouldn't something more objective be better? Again, accepting a claim you want to be true is not equal to proving the claim. I can point to speicific misinformation. Doesn't it bother you that you can't do the same?
 
The Prof said:
LOL!

"waterboarding... elicited a lot of information"

can't get much more specific than that, sydney

why would eric holder PUBLISH such a thing?
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let's see; from your cite:
John L. Helgerson, the former CIA inspector general who investigated the agency's detention and interrogation program, said his work did not put him in "a position to reach definitive conclusions about the effectiveness of particular interrogation methods."
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now we come to your repeated refrain:
"Certain of the techniques seemed to have little effect, whereas waterboarding and sleep deprivation were the two most powerful techniques and elicited a lot of information," he said in an interview.
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but notably, you consistently also omit his statement which immediately followed:
"But we didn't have the time or resources to do a careful, systematic analysis of the use of particular techniques with particular individuals and independently confirm the quality of the information that came out."
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[emphasis added by bubba]

busted, prof. you are without a leg to stand on
but keep parroting the same lines. you may eventually convince yourself that your unfounded argument actually makes sense
keep killing that veneer of credibility
 
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